njbeast
David Wren Manchester, UK Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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Good morning Satchaholics
how are we all on this fine morning?, this is my last day in work for a week now, i am of to amsterdam on friday for a few days (stag doo) so i am in a good mood. I am 20 in 14 days how time flys.
Hey Joe
You Rule
Cheers
Dave
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Tue Oct 22 '02 12:14:57 am
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Cyberjoe
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hey njbeast....so you are visiting amsterdam are you ??? hehehe....wanna jam ???? hehehe i wish i had the time, jamsession would always be cool....
njoy your stay in amsterdam....
cyberjoe
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Tue Oct 22 '02 1:25:45 am
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Clarky
Paul Clark plays the organ, going blind www.paul-clark.com
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mr nick - without going back and learning / transcribing the entire section, it was based upon this basic patern [on the B-string]
12[tap]-0-5-7-12[tap]-7-5-0
if you want it completely tab'd out it'll take a while... [it's a matter of time more than anything - 'cos I'm desperately trying to get my album written and each track takes a few months to write
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Tue Oct 22 '02 1:37:31 am
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Clarky
Paul Clark plays the organ, going blind www.paul-clark.com
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tapper5 - " if G,ionian is from the tonic Gmaj. GABCDEF# Why dosent the following appear like this? G-DORIAN - START ON THE A, 2ND NOTE? G-PHRYGIAN - START ON THE B , 3RD NOTE? G-LYDIAN - START ON THE C , 4TH NOTE? G-MIXOLYDIAN - START ON THE D , 5TH NOTE? G-AEOLIAN - START ON THE E ,6TH NOTE? G-LOCRIAN - START ON THE F#, 7TH NOTE?"
this is all correct... what I'l trying to get across is not 'start playing' it is 'start calculating the notes' using the notes from G major
One of the most difficult parts about modes is not actually working them out... that is very simple [e.g. Aeolian is the 6th mode... using a centre key of C you get A Aeolian A, B, C, E, E, F, G].... the tricky part is that:
1/ you are no longer in the same key as the centre key - the keys of G major and E minor share the same notes but the similarity ends there ... exactly the same applies to modes.. - [play a 'I - IV' progression in each key / mode over and over... record it and solo over it and listen carefully...].. better still... do this for each mode but keep the tonic the same - E major... Eminor... E Mixolydian etc... the result should stare you in the face..
2/ if you are soloing over a chorgression you are not playing modally.... I - IV - V in G = G - C - D... when you are soloing you are not playing G Ionian - C Lydian - D Mixolydian [this is guitar-mag junk theory]... you are playing in the key of G major throughout....
3/ the only time you should describe how to solo in terms of using different keys, scale types and mode types is when the chord progression does not completely belong to a single key [especially with jazz because often, each chord comes from a different key or uses very different scale types - this gets complex.. I'll describe this stuff later]..
When working out the centre key of a mode, note what the mode type is... eg.. Phrygian [which determines the degree of the major scale that generated that mode]... and what the tonic is eg 'E'... you can then find the centre key..
Phrygian is derived from the 3rd degree of a major scale - so count back a major 3rd interval from the tonic of the mode to find the tonic of the centre key... E is the major 3rd of C therefore C major is the centre key for E Phrygian - D is the centre key for F# Phrygian.... it's a math thing....
did this answer your question or did I go off on the wrong tack??
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Tue Oct 22 '02 2:24:52 am
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PhryDom
Dave Atlanta, GA USA Plays: Guitar (45 years)
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Clarky: thatks for that. I think the conversation started with me describing my overly elaborate gear-hoarding fetish(!!!!), and I made the example of your more minimalist setup achieving cracking results. It's always good to hear what people are using, and yeah - you're right PCs certainly aren't portable and they can be *so* moody at times!!!
Morning all. Shell - got your email, will reply later. Dave
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Tue Oct 22 '02 2:27:48 am
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ovation1
Mikey D in da house Satch = ZEN Land Of The Rising Sun Plays: Guitar
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Thanks for the info Clarky....Most of the guys I know don't use the comp. much due to all the extra's you have to add.... Pretty much the same setup with a 4 trk portastudio...., lol
Get a Loaf: Damn right!! "HOME" IS a beautiful song!! Does JOE ever play it live?!?!
tapper5: Happy 100!!!!!
Pete: I got a short demo dvd of him and boy, he is hard to get used to, but an awesome player who loves tapping and the whammy!!........The thing I like best about him is his great personality and humor :-)
No prob punkdude75....I hope Nuno goes back to the old days!!
BTW, JS Clone1, Plum Loco, tapper5, Nick Lee, and everyone else from Canada (sorry if I forgot anyone): Don't you guys like Harem Scarem!?!? Aren't those boy's from good ole Canada?? Pete Lesperance rock's!!!!
SOTD: "SEE SAW"....Harem Scarem...(very JOE-like melody!!)
Peace all, /\/\ike
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Tue Oct 22 '02 2:31:43 am
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ovation1
Mikey D in da house Satch = ZEN Land Of The Rising Sun Plays: Guitar
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cheap post time: Good luck on your test tomm. Austin.... BTW, LMAO at editing your post after someone has already answered it....lol....devious ;-)
/\/\ike
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Tue Oct 22 '02 2:39:09 am
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njbeast
David Wren Manchester, UK Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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I Think Total Guitar should do a full mag tribute the the greatest guitarist of all time mr Joe Satriani, Interviews, Tabs, Gear all that stuff, What do you guys think, My AVT 150 marshall head is on order aswell, the sound of it thought 2 4x12 cabs will be amazing,
Cheers
Dave
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Tue Oct 22 '02 3:39:38 am
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CrystaI Planet
Steve Huddersfield, England Plays: Guitar
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Custom js 7-string Its different to the one Joe has been using on this tour but its pretty cool anyway ......Oops i tried doing a link but it wouldn't work so just paste this
http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/used/js7_harpers.jpg
There ya go! .........Joe Rules.....
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Tue Oct 22 '02 4:21:14 am
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njbeast
David Wren Manchester, UK Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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cyberjoe----- hey dude i am there am a Stag doo with 8 other guys, you know just sampaling the flavors, and stuff, it will be my first time there. what do you suggest?
Cheers
Dave
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Tue Oct 22 '02 4:41:18 am
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Mr Nick
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LGU89..i'm not in america..i'm in england
clarky..thanks...that'll do for me.
njbeast..so who is this Soe Satriani??
i'm getting the live in SF dvd...woohoo!!...it'll be with me by the end of the week hopefully :)
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Tue Oct 22 '02 4:58:08 am
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Cyberjoe
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Stag doo....hmm.....never heard of it....but maybe i can guess what it is....you are coming to amsterdam...so you will be tasting flavours in amsterdam coffee shops???? am i right ??? well, to be honest, i don't have anything to suggest....everyone always thinks that everyone in holland, especially in amsterdam is into all that....but we are not, mostly tourist go there, hehehehe...but i think you are going to enjoy yourself....there's a lot to do in amsterdam, especially if you're a tourist....
Oh wait, maybe i'm all wrong....stag doo....stag party...bachelor party ??? also possible of course...we see a lot of british groups coming to amsterdam as well....you will have fun....behave, baby...BEHAVE !!! heeheheheheh
njoy your stay, too bad we cannot jam....
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Tue Oct 22 '02 6:08:09 am
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njbeast
David Wren Manchester, UK Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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Cyberjoe----- stag doo, where a group of guys go and celabrate one of the guys getting married, sort of like a last party, last party of freedem, you know what i mean?, i am not realy into all that but you can't wast your first time in amsterdam can you, maybe one day we will get that jam some time soon.
Mr Nick------ You know who i mean, well spoted i have changed it now, cheers.
cheers
dave
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Tue Oct 22 '02 6:46:16 am
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jblaze1
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Michelle:Mornin' Poops...lol..:)
For Adun:Thanx dude!:)I'm still waiting to here Yay or nay from Joe.I still want to do it:)
Death Cube:Zang!
......Jblaze1 for Guitar Guard Hi Joe
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Tue Oct 22 '02 7:44:40 am
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death cube k
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jblaze yes my comment was harsh............hahaha
i think thats what zang was reffering to?
matt king jeff beck is awesome,i have some live show bootlegs and have seen him many times beck is the man
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Tue Oct 22 '02 8:04:21 am
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