Donkey Hotay
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Re Acoustic vs Electric
As Steve Stevens told me in an interview, "if a dude can shred on acoustic, he will sound good on electric but the opposite ain't necessarily true"
This from a man who sounds fantastic on both. Believe it or not, Steve's main influences growing up were a folky from his neighborhood Phil Ochs, and as he put it all the obscure prog coming out of the UK!!! (He cited Hatfield & the North and Egg amongst others) As far removed from Billy Idol as you could possibly get!!!
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:06:13 pm
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Renzzini
renzo caceres zarate, lima Peru Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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hey Joe.
what can i do? i have tendinitis and i wanna play the guitar.
does it have a solution?
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:08:01 pm
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Greyfox88
kamwing cheng somercotes, alfreton, derbyshire uk Plays: Guitar (22 years)
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i play acoustic, unplugged and plugged in a fair share. in fact, i play more unplugged and acoustic than plugged. i only plug in wen i'm in school . and thats for a double lesson. shall i ditch the amp and go acoustic? just to prove to me friends i can play. i mean.. i'm usuing acousitc more now coz i'm learning eugenes trick bag. tendicitis.. that is bad... i have no idea for a solution. stop playing for a while?
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:09:30 pm
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death cube k
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Stu Clone yeah...so... i really like effects..... actually i do most of my practicing on acoustic.. it just makes it easier to shred on electric
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:12:57 pm
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Renzzini
renzo caceres zarate, lima Peru Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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JOE don't you have tendinitis??
i bet you don't.
plese help me amigo.
por favor!!!
renzocaceres@hotmail.com
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:17:23 pm
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Joeman9
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Renzi something calm down joe can't instatnly answer your posts. rare is the occasion that he posts at all.
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:20:20 pm
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Donkey Hotay
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Right on re the practicing Cube!! As a matter of fact early in ones playing life, acoustic playing is almost necessary to help develop proper vibrato and more importantly string damping techniques.. You just can't get away with too much sloppiness on an acoustic.
And that practicing can certainly include non-plugged in practice on an electric guitar as well!!!
Edited Tue Apr 6 '04 4:23 pm
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:21:13 pm
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death cube k
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mikesb thanx... i just like it because i use .13 on my acoustic and .09's on my electric..eitherway i play acoustic everyday..
well the apple clinic went well.... garageband is pretty cool for $60 the loops sound awesome... all in all its a fun little pile of soft ware..
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Tue Apr 6 '04 4:34:46 pm
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markt4658
mark tharp gary, In usa Plays: Guitar
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JOE........Can't wait for the new CD to be released........I bet it's going to be awesome...........let us hear more of it...
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Tue Apr 6 '04 5:00:45 pm
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mick87
Spoonman Spider Mike Plays: Spoons
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uh oh... Granola is back in town
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Tue Apr 6 '04 5:20:02 pm
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Ibanezplyr
Randell Mulligan Dublin, CA USA Plays: Guitar (50 years)
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Joe: The good news is....I get to keep my toe!!!! I love the cutz I've heard on your site. That Wha sound is called Q-filtering. Mike: ATN now has a following in Japan, with some new purchases recently.....thanks, you must be stumping for us....sorry bad choice of words. She-bang......I thought you might be a william houng (sp)fan. I inadvertantly found an old friend I used to jam with. I'm not sure if I should even talk to him. Too much water under the bridge kinda thing. Maybe..... Great site Jon, Joe. Great sound. Randell
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Tue Apr 6 '04 5:26:20 pm
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gruskada
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Greyfox88 - Interesting question. Personally, I tend to play ENTIRELY different types of music on acoustic vs. electric. When I'm playing acoustic, I'm thinking more along the lines of Cat Stevens (simple chords/song structure, focusing mostly the lyrics). When I'm plugged in, I want to be Joe, John Christ (Danzig), Angus Young (AC/DC), and Ron Thal (Bumblefoot) (all at once preferably) - basically crazy but controlled hard rock. Honestly, though, I'm not all that skilled, and I think it definitely shows on the acoustic when I try more complex things.
Webmaster/Joe - thanks for the longer sound clips. My first impression when listening to them was that the new album is going to be heavier than I initially thought, which is fine by me.
Dave
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Tue Apr 6 '04 5:55:09 pm
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Joeman9
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Gruskada I remember hearing on a tab site that Ron Thal(Bumblefoot) can do 10 finger tapping. Is this so?
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Tue Apr 6 '04 5:57:29 pm
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Artanis I
Ben Kenobi Australia Plays: Drums (30 years)
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Morning ...
Alexandre: oooh! Surprises! I will, once I get time to go into the city (during business hours)
So only two people have ever used the words Byzantine and Byzantium? I used to think it was "bighs-an-teen" My interest was aroused by some cymbals I found under the name "Byzantine" which after searching the 'net I found no info on. The guy in the shop pronounced it as "bighs-un-tine" however on Age of Kings it was pronounced "biz-n-teen" so I did a search for pronunciation in dictionaries but the clearest result I could get was the "American" version (biz-un-teen) and the "British" version which was unclear as to whether it was the same as my original idea or the guy in the shop's. ("tein" - is that teen, tine or tane? I want a phonetic alphabet!)
So currently, I call it By-zn-teen and By-zan-tee-um. Any scholars of English care to make any input? I know they're not words used in common language.
I only have 8 fingers.
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Tue Apr 6 '04 6:38:30 pm
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Joeman9
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How can you ten finger tap? Don'tyou only have 8 fingers?
(insert long pointless spam here)
and two thumbs.
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Tue Apr 6 '04 6:42:08 pm
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SatanZilla
Calgary, Alberta Canada Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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Greyfox88 - At school, it usually isn't about proving to others that you can play... unless there's another great guitarist there that can outplay you, in that case you've gotta prove it to yourself that you're better. Personally there are a few things that people find impressive at my school:
1.) Shred and tapping. Pretty much going nuts as incoherantly as possible
2.) Really nice sounding fingerstyle songs
and, the kicker
3.) Playing songs that they know
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:00:07 pm
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Doomsday_J
Jason Tamaqua, Pa USA Plays: Guitar (35 years)
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Hello Joe! Just wanted to say that I think that Strange Beutiful Music is a great disc and from what I have heard of Is there Love in Space, It is going to be a kick ass album!!!! Thanks from many many years of great music and Inspiration.
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:00:48 pm
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nikenlovesjoe
niken wulandari jakarta, DKI jakarta INDONESIA Plays: Guitar (36 years)
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dear joe, i'm 29 f and play classical guitar.it's been 11 years for listening your strange beautiful music. I admire the way you express your feelin in each tune.it's obviouse who's the most artistic intelligent guitarist i've ever known.just like listening to' tarrega' that can bring you into his mind. I LOVE YOU, Joe! it's been a missery since you never looked up on my country to visit. Indonesia has big fans of you! why you never visit this part of the world?actually it's been years since your concert with level 42 here! I just wanna see you and your band speak out your mind in your music.
Thanks for your strange beautiful mind!
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:07:35 pm
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Sammy Andrews
Love the blues and ballads Joe is the Inspiration !! Plays: Guitar
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I think playing on the accoustic takes more practice obviously because of string gauge and action are usually much different than on an electric....so I would think that practicing on an accoustic will make you a more precise and cleaner player on the electric....
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:08:19 pm
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Joeman9
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DCK you were close the proper spelling is appendages you just forgot a 'p' anyway is that other appendage the same one you practiced with a while back?*wink wink*
I'm reading through some of the old posts wow.
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:11:02 pm
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Loo Who
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Jon, thanks for the ITLIS clips.
I like the variety. If I Could Fly is a good melodic song... looking forward to hearing the whole cd.
Joe, hope life if fun, xo.
Hi all! Hands in the Air rocks. Rock on, Linda
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:11:31 pm
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Big Steven
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For acoustic over electric, I wouldn't say that just playing an acoustic demonstrates someone's ability. I think the real skill factor is simply playing without the use of effects (including distortion/overdrive).
For instance, I can't afford to spend a fortune on a really good acoustic guitar with a nice action, but on the other hand an electric guitar with a nice action can be relatively cheap. Many people with cheap acoustic and electric guitars who don't have much money to spare, such as myself, will also likely choose to settle for a cheap acousitc and buy effects for their cheap electric guitar instead of choosing to splash out on an expensive but better acoustic.
I can play my electric guitar with no effects and a clean tone to a standard that truly reflects where I am with the instrument. If, however, some blinkered purist were to say 'that's no good, you're nothing on the guitar unless you play unplugged' and then asked to hear me on my acoustic guitar, it wouldn't reflect my ability fairly, because my cheap acoustic guitar, unlike its similarly priced electric counterpart, has an ultra stiff grip on the strings to make fretting a note feel like you're cutting your fingers with cheesewire, plus the gap between the strings and the fretboard seems wide enough to be able to climb through it!
I still play acoustic as well as electric, it's good to play both just to vary your playing even if your acoustic's action is horrible like mine, but frequently I have to tone things down on the acoustic. My friend has a really nice acoustic, and when I play his I play just as well as on electric, because with his acoustic it's fine just to play freely without inhibitions over the action or tension. Those two aspects are more important, I think, than just being plugged in or not (as long as effects aren't being overused).
If all things were equal in terms of action, tension and so forth then acoustic use may be said to reflect true ability, but usually people's acoustic and electric guitars aren't equal. Different if you're Joe, or Vai, and can afford the best of both, even having them customised to your tastes, but for many of us, we can't do that.
What I find funny is that if you play your electric guitar with no amplification at all, so that you're only playing the bare guitar except without the acoustics, then play something well, some people still dismiss it as 'that's easy because you did it on an electric guitar', as if it did everything for you! I don't know why it bothers some people so much. Mind you, people who get that wound up about something like that are often the sort of people who if you do what they ask to the letter, they try and find some way of picking that to bits or insisting on something else being important that they hadn't told you they wanted, then look at you like you should be ashamed of yourself and apologise to them!
Regarding Yngwie, even though he doesn't really play acoustically, I don't think that means he would be rubbish at it or that he should be discounted as a talented musician just for not playing acoustically. He doesn't overuse effects anyway besides not usually playing with a clean tone (most electric guitar players don't anyway). A harmoniser, wah, chorus, flange, an octave divider, delay and a whammy bar are his other effects, which he uses reasonably sparingly. If you gave him a good acoustic with good tension and a good action, I'm sure he'd be just about as good as he is with a Fender Stratocaster. He'd certainly school the vast majority of those who attempt to criticise his ability (a different thing entirely from criticising his songwriting).
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:26:23 pm
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Ya Yo Gakk
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JAZZY BOY- i think joe's "fastest" playing, is on either surfing with the alien, where he does that super fast tapping stuff with the pic... or for straight playing it might be Crushing Day, theres some real fast leads on there... and when joe played it live a couple tours ago it looked like he was having a bit of trouble with it, he didnt fuck up or anything but you could see his face grimacing as he stretched all over the fretboard...no wonder they dont like to do the song, it was awesome though! we might not ever hear that tune live again....but we all chanted for it and joe delivered after months...maybe years of hounding, rock on joe.
edit: check it out, guitar world 1999 reader poll... BEST HARD ROCK ALBUM - Metallica, Garage Inc. ---BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT - #2 Metallica - Garage, Inc.... says volumes.
also this year guitar world had some interesting results as well worst bands are Limp Bizkit, Creed, the strokes, and good charlotte...very weird considering all those guys have been on the cover of the mag & the mag caters to those people's fans nowadays. a bit like biting the hand that feeds you. also Metallica's poor-selling new album, "St. Anger," was named biggest disappointment, but it also came in at No. 2 as the best metal album translation - if it sucks and sounds like shit we'll say so but we will also support it cause we like sucky music. and - Metallica's Kirk Hammett was named best metal guitarist, a possible consolation prize for having all his solos cut from "St. Anger," interesting....no guitar but still the best guitarist....why cant i win?
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Tue Apr 6 '04 7:33:34 pm
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