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Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
Plays: Bass (25 years)
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JS JS - I don't know...it's hard to compare the two. The worst moments of the 90s are far worse than the worst moments of the 80s...but there was some VERY good music released in the 90s that almost makes up for it. I think the ratio of good to bad was better in the 80s, but the highs in the 90s are higher than the highs in the 80s. I know I'm being general here, but does that make sense? Britney Spears is horrible, but Dream Theater is awesome. Winger sucks, and Guns N Roses is good...but Winger is better than Britney and Dream Theater is better than GNR.

I've seen a few very good tabs for The Crush Of Love a few years ago. I did another search now and it looks like they've all been replaced by an incomplete version. Hmmm...I can't help...sorry.


Plum Loco - Which cover ended up winning? Was it the squiggly Joe?

That cover was my favorite of the ones that were there, but I think it would be cool if the CD could be released with as few pictures of / references to Joe Satriani as possible. The title Satchurated Feedback is fine...it's a nice play on words. I wouldn't want to do too much more than that, though.

Then again, I don't have a song on the album...maybe my comments shouldn't mean anything.


BBKane - "The buisnesses make more money thus they expand, and employ more people. Thats how it works, your thinking of individual workers, you cant do that."

I can do that, because it presents a problem. Stores only have a certain amount of shelf space. Let's say five workers can restock a department store overnight. They work for eight hours and all of the shelves are full at the end of their shift. At that point, there is no more room for merchandise in the store. Let's say the store hired five more workers...they would then have ten people stocking shelves overnight, and they would finish the job in half the time. Each worker would only receive half of the pay because they worked for half of the hours.

The problem is also there with cashiers. Let's say a fast food restaurant gets 30 customers per hour. Let's say the restaurant has two cashiers, and they can comfortably deal with that many customers...the customers never have to wait in line for more than a minute or two. If they hire two more cashiers, it won't automatically make 30 more customers come to the restaurant. The demand just isn't there.

Yes, you are sometimes able to open more stores or restaurants because of demand, but that can only go so far. You can't put a Target or a McDonald's on every block. Your idea only works to a certain extent, and doesn't do much when you look at the big picture.

"In terms of sustainable wage. One is able to abtain a life in which he wont have to borrow money just to feed himself."

Okay, I thought that's what you meant. I've always heard that called a "living wage".

"the stuff I talked about is just common sense..."

I disagree.

Should working at a fast food restaurant give someone enough money to pay for food and rent? Maybe. I think most low-paying jobs provide adequate support for people in this situation.

Should someone expect that same amount of money to feed kids, pay for their clothes, their food, and their entertainment? Probably not. If someone wants to start a family, they should make sure they have the ability to support a family financially. That might mean going to college and waiting a few years to get a job before starting a family. It shouldn't mean working at the same low-skill job and expecting minimum wage to increase so you can make ends meet.

...Austin...

Edited Thu Jul 22 '04 9:07 pm

Thu Jul 22 '04 9:06:53 pm

BBKane

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Re:Dothestu

can do that, because it presents a problem. Stores only have a certain amount of shelf space. Let's say five workers can restock a department store overnight. They work for eight hours and all of the shelves are full at the end of their shift. At that point, there is no more room for merchandise in the store. Let's say the store hired five more workers...they would then have ten people stocking shelves overnight, and they would finish the job in half the time. Each worker would only receive half of the pay because they worked for half of the hours.

But then the buisness will expand, there willl be extensions from the building etc...which will lead to more job creation. Thats job growth

ps. no problem with you at all, im just explaining my thoughts

Thu Jul 22 '04 9:10:10 pm

BBKane

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"The problem is also there with cashiers. Let's say a fast food restaurant gets 30 customers per hour. Let's say the restaurant has two cashiers, and they can comfortably deal with that many customers...the customers never have to wait in line for more than a minute or two. If they hire two more cashiers, it won't automatically make 30 more customers come to the restaurant. The demand just isn't there."

again your thinking about individuals, thats now how someone should look at the economy, these are examples of "exceptions" however with job growth and a growing economy due to more consumable income there will be more work available in which these people will be hired.

Thu Jul 22 '04 9:13:29 pm

Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
Plays: Bass (25 years)
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BBKane - What if there is no demand for the store to expand? Just because ten more people want to work for me doesn't mean I tear out a wall and double the size of my store. The demand needs to be there or I will lose money.

Even when the demand is there, expansion only works to a certain extent. You can only expand your store so many times. What do you do after you expand it and you're in the same situation? You're stuck... As I said, you can't have the same store on every block just because people want to work for you...the demand isn't there and you will lose money. Sometimes that means you can't even expand the store, or open two McDonald's' in one city, or whatever... Your idea only works in limited situations.

...Austin...

Thu Jul 22 '04 9:18:17 pm

JS_JS
Jacob Stewart
Washington
U S
Plays: Guitar (22 years)
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Austin I know what you mean about the music thing. but you dont like WInger? I think they are great, good 80's music. and yeah there are some great bands from the 90's like Dream Theatre and such but overall I dont really care for most 90's music. and dont worry about the tab. I couldnt play the whole song anyway.
Thu Jul 22 '04 9:30:50 pm

Artanis I
Ben Kenobi
Australia
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Some guy just walked in with his earphones so loud I can hear FHDEIOPJREPJCMFEROPMCROR<PKPOEC but it isn't coming out clearly. My best guess as to what the song is is "Epic" by Faith No More, but I don't think this is correct.

Joeman: "I have photos and a new hat" nice summary

JS JS: I see it the other way around, the 90s saved us all from having to deal with another 10 years of 80s music.

All the high pitched male vocals that would best suit women and those boring fake boom-chish drum beats and synthesizer sensations can lay to rest thankyou very much. Understand that I don't think everything about the 80s music was bad, and the 90s aren't all great themselves but at least the good and bad of the 90s killed off (most of) the rubbish of the 80s.

BTW, Austin: I believe Brittney Spears emerged in 98 or 99, therefore making her more a 00s artist than a 90s one considering she is still as popular as she was then.

I don't see a lot of great stuff emerging from the 00s yet. It's still barraged with bad legacies of the 90s (modern RnB, pop-"punk"-rock etc).


In regard to this "minimum wage" etc topic, all I can say is that perfect capitalism or perfect socialism may work theoretically, but will never work perfectly in practise. Nothing is ever perfect, so forget talking about how things would be so awesome if we changed things to this. There is no way everyone is going to get up and all decide to start over again, so we're stuck with "how can we change according to what we already have?" which will never produce a scenario where everyone is happy.

Let's take a computer system as an analogy. What we have now is an operating system with 1000s of patches. There are so many processes running that we'll never get all the users to agree to re-format the machine, let alone shut it down. The system is unfair and lopsided because of all the patches that have been put into place over the decades trying to fix problems introduce new ones or don't completely solve old ones. This parallels to governments/beaurocracy/institutions etc. The only perfect solution is a clean sweep and re-format, which will never happen without "divine (or external) intervention". Am I right?

Edited Thu Jul 22 '04 9:44 pm

Thu Jul 22 '04 9:41:27 pm

Roxie
Roxanne Fields
Toronto, Ontario
CANADA
Plays: Keyboards (2024 years)
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Hi Joe, love listening to your licks. I really do believe that there is more than just love in our space... Too too much more than any of use can imagine. Beond the face value of what appears to be... We just half to look deeper and not just look on the surface to be so quick, act like it just dosen't matter... Matters to me, like expression... love expression... Who R we really??? Loving human's whom wan't lot's of loving ***** Want U always, love hearing U play you're lick's... The Best, Joe Satch always want U! ROXANNE FIELDS In Toronto, Ontario CANADA :-)
Thu Jul 22 '04 9:44:25 pm

Roxie
Roxanne Fields
Toronto, Ontario
CANADA
Plays: Keyboards (2024 years)
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We R given what we really need to have at this time

ROX

Thu Jul 22 '04 10:03:22 pm

OCPS470
Chris Peters
Lake Mary, FL
USA
Plays: Guitar (28 years)
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PLum Locco: When my dad stands in the right light, his back hair displays the image of Joe, I think that would be a great cover image (sure to convince the masses of the greatness of the CD)...under florescent bulbs a madonna and baby Jesus appear. haha!
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:04:28 pm

BBKane

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Do the stu

its not the demand that causes them to expand, it is the increased productivity that gives them capital so they can expand....

Thu Jul 22 '04 10:14:34 pm

BBKane

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this expansion creates demand, your thinking about specific cases...its the whole economy you have to think of
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:15:55 pm

BBKane

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do the stu, not to mention an increase in mininum wage leads to increase in consumable income
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:20:15 pm

civgeek
Matt Dorado
Portland, OR
USA
Plays: Guitar (53 years)
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MINIMUM WAGE: The problem with minimum wage being raised is that it doesn't help the people it is intended to help and actually hurts small businesses. Here in Oregon our minimum wage is about $6.75 to be going up to $7.25 over the two years. So, what happens is that for businesses to stay viable they have to raise prices to compensate for the increase in payroll expense. Do the businesses raise their prices just enough to cover the increase ? No. If they are able to raise prices they raise it a little more, which decreases the buying power of the purchaser. So now you have deflated buying power coupled with the fact that this just contributed to the overall inflation rate therefore deflating the purchaser's buying power again. And, since many service jobs are minimum, wage people wonder why a latte out here costs over $3.00. It's because the profit on one latte is around $0.25 per cup. That is only if you are in a market where people are willing to spend the money. If you can't charge more, you fold your business. That brings me to my next point which is, why is it my responsibility to make sure that someone, who is able bodied, can support themselves. And why should a person working at Micky D's make almost as much as a college graduate. This is the logic that escapes me. We have SOOO many freedoms and opportunities in this country and I feel that there needs to be emphasis on people taking responsibility for themselves. If you work in a dead end job that is your fault and not mine. If you don't like it get out a do something else. It can be done. I can say this because I've done it. My wife has done it. My parents and my wife's parents also. Is it easy? Fuck no!! Do like going to work at 6:30 AM and getting back at 10 or 11 PM. C'mon, get real. Anyway that's my rant for tonite. I have a long day tomorrow. If anybody spills hot coffe on themselves tomorrow, just cuss and get on with your day don't try to sue anyone. Night all.

Kim Richards for G3

Thu Jul 22 '04 10:36:56 pm

civgeek
Matt Dorado
Portland, OR
USA
Plays: Guitar (53 years)
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JS JS - I'm not sure where to find a good tab, but the song is fairly straight forward and I believe in the key if C. Mike and Dave's web site also has a pretty good backing track for it. I found that helps as you hear,clearly, when you make a mistake. Plus there is no help from Joe.
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:42:54 pm

BBKane

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if mcdonalds employees are almost making as much as you, you probably didnt go to college for a good degree.
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:43:56 pm

BBKane

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and judging by that post Im assuming buisness?
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:46:16 pm

BBKane

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goods become more elastic as the price increases, therfore a company would not raise the price more than just to cover the cost, assuming the elasticity is above unit elastic.
Thu Jul 22 '04 10:50:01 pm

Artanis I
Ben Kenobi
Australia
Plays: Drums (30 years)
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"If anybody spills hot coffe on themselves tomorrow, just cuss and get on with your day don't try to sue anyone"

echo sentiments

Thu Jul 22 '04 10:52:16 pm

Stu Clone
Graham Shackelford
Tacoma, Washington
USA
Plays: Bass (26 years)
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bbkane
expansion does not create demand unless the firm is unique in its product. this is a problem with your argument's points and inherent assumptions.


Edited Fri Jul 23 '04 12:00 am
Thu Jul 22 '04 11:59:07 pm

injector

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Hey guys Can anybody tell me how on earth should I log out? It`s getting` simply remarkable – each time I`m done I click X in the corner, but each time I call on the webpage again there is still "You are injector" instead of "Log in".
Fri Jul 23 '04 12:03:43 am

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Simon
Granada, Andalucia
Spain
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OCPS470, dude, your setup sounds awesome......if you're getting that variety of tones from one fender amp and one guitar then you're sorted! I can't wait to hear this upcoming DT-come-FIABD creation! Just out of interest, what are you using for recording purposes? you using Cubase?

I ordered the 5 JJ preamp tubes from Bob last night! So in 7 to 10 days I should get my Legacy working, better than before. Kick ass!


Plum Loco, dude I understand why you're a bit miffed about the slowless with this t2j CD project, but Bil did drive 300 miles to hand the CD over to Joe at an in-store session.......have faith, the project will get finished!
michelle, no probs, thanks anyway!
Fri Jul 23 '04 12:29:32 am

SnakeyeS
Reuben Aloysius
Fort Worth, TX
USA
Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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Hey guys This is my first post. Big helloz to all! Waiting to see Joe up close and personal after the Dallas concert :D I sold my PS2 just to get enough money to buy my ticket (dont need it when you've got an XBOX lying around ;) )

Joe, you the man! Peace, and hope ur having fun on the tour!

-Snakeyes

Fri Jul 23 '04 1:25:47 am

Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
Plays: Bass (25 years)
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T2J CD Update

I've emailed a few people to try to help work out some behind-the-scenes stuff. Give me a few days to straighten everything out, and I (or someone) will post an announcement / update here in a few days...hopefully by the end of the month. It'll be a "This is where we are and this is what we still need to do." thing. Please be patient until then. Thanks. :-)


JS JS - I mentioned Winger as a reference to a T2J joke from a few years ago. I was half-kidding to prove a point.
Artanis I - Wow...I had no idea you were such a Britney fan. ;-) j/k I guess you can replace her with the Backstreet Boys or some other group...
BBKane - In the future, can you put all of your replies in one post? It makes it easier for everyone to read the board... Just open the "Post Message" link in a separate window, type your replies as you read the posts, and post your message at the very end.

"its not the demand that causes them to expand, it is the increased productivity that gives them capital so they can expand....this expansion creates demand"

It's foolish to expand if the demand isn't there (unless you have a unique product, like Stu Clone said).

"your thinking about specific cases...its the whole economy you have to think of"

These specific cases apply to just about every business, so they apply to the economy as a whole. Give me an example of a type of business if you're still confused, and I can show you how what I said relates to it.

"not to mention an increase in mininum wage leads to increase in consumable income"

But that does not necessarily mean demand will increase to the point where you need to hire twice as many employees or build another Target (or whatever) if one already exists in the city.


civgeek - "people wonder why a latte out here costs over $3.00. It's because the profit on one latte is around $0.25 per cup."

Really? My brother works at a smoothie store. I talked to him about profits a few months ago (during the winter months when no one buys smoothies and his boss loses money), and he said the complete opposite of what you said. They spend $0.25 or $0.50 to make a smoothie and sell it for $3 or $4. I know coffee and smoothies are two different things, but I didn't think they'd be that different.

"We have SOOO many freedoms and opportunities in this country and I feel that there needs to be emphasis on people taking responsibility for themselves. If you work in a dead end job that is your fault and not mine. If you don't like it get out a do something else. It can be done."

I completely agree.


injector - Go into your temporary internet files and delete the cookies from satriani.com. That might fix your problem.

...Austin...

Edited Fri Jul 23 '04 1:32 am

Fri Jul 23 '04 1:32:08 am

ILoveThailand

Plays: Other
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guys,

i'm depressed as hell. ladies are so hard to understand. i have been dating/seeing this woman and have also been intimate with her.....but i saw her with another guy today in a fucking hammock......i am so bummed out. ladies drive me literally crazy and have reached me to some of my lowest points....what can i do?

confront her? its so hard because i am very non confrontational with girls. its so hard. I am sad.

its summer, listen to summer song. I guess I got some bad karma or what?

find bil mckim and bring him back.....wheres mikey also?

Edited Fri Jul 23 '04 1:59 am

Fri Jul 23 '04 1:57:53 am

Delphinus
Luis Lopez
Rochelle, Illinois
USA
Plays: Guitar (25 years)
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You need to come play in De Kalb, Illinios. At the Convocation Center sometime that would be beyond great!
Fri Jul 23 '04 2:22:40 am
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