ptrocker
Vasco Patricio Ericeira, Portugal Plays: Guitar (38 years)
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Suzie... So you're saying Rooney's aggression was Ronaldo's work? And Ronaldo's winking was a "thumbs-up" for a job well done? Now this is the point where my poor english doesn't allow me to explain how much this doesn't make any sense...
Ronaldo is a very temperamental kid and Scolari was advising him to stay cool (he always gets a yellow card sooner or later). Ronaldo was resting him: "I'm cool!" (for now!)
Let me explain one thing: I like the english a lot! I've worked with lots of different nationalities during the last six years and I really like the english I've worked with. They've got a great mentality! But this past match has shown me one thing that I've never realized before: english can't stand loosing! They prefer to think someone has pull the rug on them (even if there was no rug) than realizing they just felt...
Portuguese might have lots of flaws, but we know when to admit others were better. In football terms, we're better than the english and worse than the french. We always beat England and the french always beat us! I only hope this last part will eventually change! :)))
Sorry about the disagrement, but after losing to a team that did nothing except managing a penalty kick that was offered and almost defended, I think the english could learn a lot about managing defeat... And stop blaming Ronaldo and look at the real causes: lack of quality, inspiration and most of all: nerve condition!
Talking about bad sportmanship, what about that guy that tried to kick the penalty in advance to pressure Ricardo? Did you like the way Ricardo didn't even move? That's nerve condition (from Ricardo) and bad sportmanship (from the english) But even that sort of backfired on him, so...
11 DAYS TO SEE MASTER JOE!!!! :))))
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Sat Jul 8 '06 11:50:38 am
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Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna Dublin Ireland Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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cmon portugal
and england shud stop whining, yas lost, all the excuses suck... but then again at least u qualified!
Oooh i went there
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Sat Jul 8 '06 12:18:48 pm
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Suzie2000
Suzo London, England Plays: Guitar (35 years)
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PTROCKER- Ok, the main problem we have here is that I, being English have a natural bias towards how I perceive the match went for England last Saturday, and you being Portuguese (from the response you have given) have a natural bias towards how YOU perceive the match went for Portugal.
Let me do a parallel viewpoint...
You said " So you're saying Rooney's aggression was Ronaldo's work? And Ronaldo's winking was a "thumbs-up" for a job well done?"
Well. To your first point, no, but Ronaldo had no place being involved talking to the ref, should have been sent away, and wasn't. Rooney had already been fouled previously. But you don't see that the same way, all you see was that Rooney stepped on someone's groin, then pushed Ronaldo. For me, it was not that straightforward.
As to your second point: We in England saw the wink and the "shush" as a thumbs up for a job well done, as I said he had head butted Rooney just before the game and he knows how to wind up Rooney. Rooney should not have reacted, but Ronaldo shouldn't have done it. Your viewpoint is that " Ronaldo is a very temperamental kid and Scolari was advising him to stay cool (he always gets a yellow card sooner or later). Ronaldo was resting him: "I'm cool!" (for now!) " - but Ronaldo has not said anything about this to English people? So you saw that one way, we saw it another. Rooney was his team mate (hopefully "was" is the right word...)
Your next point about the ' English can't stand losing! They prefer to think someone has pull the rug on them (even if there was no rug)
That's your opinion, think what you like if you want to generalise. Do YOU like to lose then? Who does?
Then to your point " Portuguese might have lots of flaws, but we know when to admit others were better. In football terms, we're better than the english and worse than the french.
I don't think that your team were "better" than us last week, we played with 10 men also for an hour, and there were still no goals. You only beat us in the end for one reason: that we are crap at penalties. That it was Ronaldo who took the final one summed up the game for me.
Then you said " We always beat England and the french always beat us! - well again very negative, unless you have seen into the future and know the results of each game we will ever play against you.
You also said " I think the english could learn a lot about managing defeat... - well not from your manager, he lost his lid rather a lot don't you remember after the Germany game?
And as for England "not liking to lose" as you said, what does this sound like, when you said
" after losing to a team that did nothing except managing a penalty kick that was offered and almost defended... "- to me that sounds like someone who doesn't like losing. Touche?
If you want me to " look at the real causes: lack of quality, inspiration and most of all: nerve condition! " - well then why didn't you score against us in 120 minutes then? What does that say...
A final thing that we view differently- you said " Talking about bad sportmanship, what about that guy that tried to kick the penalty in advance to pressure Ricardo? - From my point of view he was stupid to take it too early, but I don't believe it was deliberate or to pressurise Ricardo... and also from my point of view, Ronaldo stopped before he took the shot which is against the rule... but who cares? And against Holland- 7 players booked, 2 of whom were also sent off... You see the entire thing the opposite way but that's only natural.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I, perhaps best to leave it at that and just not speak.
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Sat Jul 8 '06 12:36:18 pm
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Suzie2000
Suzo London, England Plays: Guitar (35 years)
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Al- I am not whining, just replying to PTRocker's points.
.... but COME ON GERMANY!!!!!
Another marvellous dive from Ronaldo- why was he never an Olympic athlete in that sport? :)
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Quentin
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Hey Joe !
I'm Quentin and I saw you at your show in Le Grand Rex in Paris 2 days ago, and you saw me too ! I was with my friend Renaud and we had a flag on which we had written "THANK YOU SATCH FOR ALL".
I just wanted to thank you again for all you give to us with your wonderful music and let you know that you are the one who made me understand how much I love music, because you can make me feel so much different things with just a few notes.
You are a genius, go on with your feelings, and one more time : thank you.
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Sat Jul 8 '06 12:59:49 pm
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Alan McKenna Dublin Ireland Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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players go up to the ref to complain all the time, it happens 24/7 defenders have all sorts of tricks to putting off forwards that u dont see, its not a clean sport at all, and its very much part of the game, u do what u have to do to win the match
+ crouch pulling the guys hair to score the goal, that sucked, but it happened, jus all the excuses bulding up towards the world cup and all the complaining afterwards is just stupid
and germany won! good way to end it for em
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Sat Jul 8 '06 1:43:43 pm
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Suzie2000
Suzo London, England Plays: Guitar (35 years)
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Just watching Live In San Francisco, never get tired of it! Got Joe to sign the DVD cover a few weeks back which makes it even more cool!
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Sat Jul 8 '06 2:05:14 pm
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canchito
nathan reeve La Verkin, UT usa Plays: Guitar (28 years)
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I think that Live in San Fran. is the best concert DVD to date.
Joe was really in the zone. The whole band was in the zone. I love Stu's rendition of Lovething. Why doesn't Eric tour with Joe anymore?
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Sat Jul 8 '06 2:39:56 pm
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Suzie2000
Suzo London, England Plays: Guitar (35 years)
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Canchito- it was a shame in one way that Eric didn't do the UK leg of Joe's tour... but not in another as we LOVED Johnny A. He rocks! :)
Post No 1642- Batle of Edgehill and the start of the English Civil War...
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Cyber Alien
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Copper Mountain, CO
Guitar Town
July 29-30 2006
Music Main Stage Music Lineup– FREE!
SUNDAY, July 30
• 1:00-1:50 Joe Bonamassa
• 4:00-5:00 Joe Satriani
• 5:15 – ALL STAR JAM
http://www.villageatcopper.com/guitarTown/index.php/
Now there's a jam I'd love to hear!!! Anybody out there planning on bootlegging this show? Anybody else but me that would love to see a Fall G3 tour with these 2 plus (***insert favorite G here***)?
Do I hear an encore jam of Jimi's "Hey Joe"? "Red House"?? "Little Wing"???
L8r... John
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anibur
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Of course! Whoever mentioned it...Joe would like us to donate to Little Kids Rock....the charity he has just set up.
Webmaster, can you create a link for this? Michelle has suggested for us all to donate ( if we want to ) to give something in honour of Joe's Birthday. It is a brilliant idea, well done Michelle.
Thanks for your coool email Satriella....
anibur***
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Sat Jul 8 '06 3:05:13 pm
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Alan McKenna Dublin Ireland Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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started learning the drums today, friends drumkkits been there ages so i figured wudnt hurt to learn another instrument, wanna get a ketboard tho
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slanshroom
roy marchbank Scotland, Barcelona Spain Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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Cube:Jeez, Sorry if I caused y any hurt or pain from previous posts.I got mixed up between you n the head fuck of me n zen were havin yesterday
Slan passes Cube “Death Breath to erase any troll”
GROWLER:Y hear pain b4 it is hit, thanks, guess it takes the arts t see sometimes.Appreciated bud, I,m workin on it
I really want France t win, not because of the previous posts between me & zen but because France needs a much needed lift.Shes been havin a hard time of late
GO FRANCE!
Ovation:Keep me posted bro, it worries me your so close t missile range
Zen:You self appointed yourself Judge & Jury after your post here J4th.
Split those split
The bond now stone
sad
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GROWLER
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SLANSH Hey bro, I tried. I hate to say it but the best thing to do is ignore this dude. He has the same problem I had awhile back. Just ignore his posts for awhile. He has no idea about whats going on on the mainland. SLANSH, my best friend on the mainland is Indian and his friends and I get along great. Most of my friends on the mainland are black and they all come and visit me in Hawaii. No problems with talking about the past. This dude lives in France! He has no idea whats happening here, he's just looking for something to bitch about. Ignore him man. I know I am. Hope to see you post soon. Much Aloha...............................G
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GROWLER
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SLANSH What be happening here? We posted at the exact same time again! Take my previous post for what its worth. Maybe not much. Your a better man than I. Onward and upward...........
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Sat Jul 8 '06 4:27:34 pm
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slanshroom
roy marchbank Scotland, Barcelona Spain Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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GROWLER:I can always see through a warrior, because i used t be.I remember your first posts & thought.....aha,lol
Zen isnt a big bad wolf, he is just fred, a good wolf, he likes t piss on what he thinks evil & i respect that, but he pissed on the wrong turf thats all, will he learn? time will tell
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Sat Jul 8 '06 4:42:24 pm
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio Ericeira, Portugal Plays: Guitar (38 years)
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Suzie, very well said (written!) I agree with you: you're seeing it from your perspective and I see mine... I'm just sad everyone's attacking Ronaldo. I don't think he deserves it, he was just defending his team (the same way he did when playing for Manchester here in Portugal against Benfica, I think...) Everyone boo'ed him then.
The reason why he isn't speaking to the english press is because he's not speaking at all! Not to the portuguese or whatever...
Anyway, congrats to the german! I guess Portugal will have to enjoy being the fourth...
Cheers,
VP
PS: It's kinda funny to discuss football on a Satriani site, never thought these two passions would combine! :)))
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Sat Jul 8 '06 4:47:39 pm
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio Ericeira, Portugal Plays: Guitar (38 years)
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And of course, nobody likes to loose... But you can deal with it in a variety of ways and try to make it as constructive as possible.
Now... GO ITALY!!! :)))
Anybody else here is going to be in Madrid next 19th?
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Sat Jul 8 '06 4:51:00 pm
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slanshroom
roy marchbank Scotland, Barcelona Spain Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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what i really wanted t say is
GO....................FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Zen y dont know humor
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio Ericeira, Portugal Plays: Guitar (38 years)
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Regardless of who wins tomorrow, it'll be definetely a good match to see! ;)
It's just to bad only europeans teams reach the semi-finals... I seems this is just a Euro Cup, not a World Cup :(
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Sat Jul 8 '06 5:08:42 pm
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Christopher Thompson Dardanelle, AR USA Plays: Guitar (37 years)
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I'm downloading the podcast, can't wat to see it, I know it's gona rock, thanks Joe and Mr. Webmaster
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Sat Jul 8 '06 5:49:38 pm
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