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gtrhack
robert toerpe
lake villa, il
us
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there is a god. new look. new tune. and my jsx combo is coming saturday. x-mas all over again.
Thu Mar 13 '08 5:24:43 pm Set this message as last read

Stevee T

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Joe...nice...long live your career!..please...
Thu Mar 13 '08 5:24:56 pm Set this message as last read

Wizards Eye
Steven Shearin
Palm Beach Gardens, Fl
U.S.A.
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Speaking of progressions here's one to try. I learned this from an old Mickey Baker jazz book from around 1956. It begins on Eb maj7 then to C7 #5 b9 then to Fmin7 then to Bb7 #5 b9. Play each chord for one measure and strum like the old 50's style rythm. Da-da,dada, da-da,dada etc. Sometimes I like to research old techniques and try to apply new ones to them. Someone out there try it out and let me know what you think.
Thu Mar 13 '08 5:38:35 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
plays the organ, going blind
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dude.. I'm not arguing at all... lol... maybe you have the wrong 'voice' in your head when you read my post.. lol.. I'm simply pointing out an error... nothing more... Eb and D# are not the same note, they are the same pitch... I think that one of the reasons that many folks struggle with the academic elements of music is that things are often described poorly so they get off to a bad start.. that kind of ham-strings the poor guys right at the outset. And this is the reason why good usage of terms and "grammar" is important.. here's something to think on.. just because two notes have the same pitch, do the enharmonic note values share the same function with respect to interval, scale or chord..?? so... imagine the E triad... so with respect to E, G# is the major 3rd.. it can never be Ab despite it being the same pitch because Ab is a diminished 4th. And in the key of E, the note value of A is already taken by A natural [which is as I'm sure you're aware a perfect 4th]... If you see a score in Eb maj, where on the key signature would you see the note D#?? you simply wouldn't... you'd see Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, D. So if you are describing a scale / chord / interval with respect to Eb as the tonic, and then start with D# as the tonic, maybe it wouldn't be so surprising if the folks trying to understand your description go "huuuh???".. also, when trying to describe an idea / concept, Eb is not really the kindest of keys... may I suggest choosing a key with fewer accidentals as they're easier for most people to visualize - like G / Em, or C / Am [especially for geetar players... lol..]..
Eb and D#.. are they enharmonically interchangeable? yes of course they are because they are the same pitch... are they the same note? no not at all and therefore they have a very different function...
please don't read this as a flame or anything stupid like a pissing contest.. that's not my intention... my intention is to clarify something you stated that is simply not true... nothing more..

EDIT: I can't spell the letter F... sheesh....

Edited Thu Mar 13 '08 7:05 pm

Thu Mar 13 '08 5:42:36 pm Set this message as last read

joefreak373

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hey joe, did you ever find your guitar????
Thu Mar 13 '08 5:54:32 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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Wizard - you have gone and made me think on this enharmonic stuff a little more - which is clearly dangerous for my lil' brain... lol...
a more elegant usage of enharmonic shifts is during a modulation.. so this is where you can have notes in two different keys that share the same pitch but not the same note values. If you choose to modulate via pivot chords - especially if you're going to modulate via some sort of cadence, then you'll be in a great position to exploit the common pitches. The enharmonic shift can then occur after the cadence when the new key has been established - but now these pitches will appear as accidentals with respect to the key signature...
one of the more beautiful exploitations of enharmonically shifting notes is the German 6th chord - sounds wonderful when used in the right context - an approach chord to a perfect cadence when modulating to a very distant key.....


Edited Thu Mar 13 '08 6:09 pm
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:06:53 pm Set this message as last read

Wizards Eye
Steven Shearin
Palm Beach Gardens, Fl
U.S.A.
Plays: Guitar (41 years)
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Sounds interesting. I've never heard of a German 6th. Can you elaborate. Also what do you know of Enigmatic scales? I'd especilly like to know more about 8 tone scales and there uses as applied to fusion type styles.
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:16:06 pm Set this message as last read

luckk

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Joe congratulations !!!!!!! is Perfect, very goooodd, charm us all! Joe greeting!!!!!
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:34:13 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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the enigmatic scale - like the rest of the "exotics" try to avoid the fundamental pillars of western tonality - namely the perfect 4th / perfect 5th and / or the ability to be described as a variant of a major or minor scale. Although the enigmatic scale actually contains a major 3rd, the 4th and 5th intervals are augmented leading to a feeling of instability.. personally I'd not compose around this scale throughout an entire piece.. I tend to use "exotics" for fleeting moments to create specific impacts to the mood at specific moments... so to me, the notion of sticking to a specific single scale type is a limiting one.. and the most important thing in music is to never allow your creativity to be bounded and gagged by academic principles.. a deep understanding of these principles should be viewed as yet another "thing" for the composer to exploit..
German 6th chords... holy crap... lol.. I could create a major dissertation on this that'll bored this forum to tears... lol...
originally it was created to make the IV - V - I / II - V - I more 'colourful'.. so it evolved out chord IV in first inversion.. one of the best known of these more colourful variants is the Neapolitan 6th - a major triad in 1st inversion rooted on the flattened super-tonic... although it is a II chord, being in 1st inversion means the bass moves from the 4th to the 5th... the most famous example of this has to be Beethoven's Sonata Moonlight..
the German 6th is a modification of the Italian 6th and when looked at enharmonically has the same intervals as a plain-Jane dominant 7 chord.. the killer thing here though is the application - because this "enharmonic Dom7 is rooted on the minor sub-mediant and sounds most cool when followed by chord I 2nd inversion, then V7 and finally chord I in root inversion to establish the new key...
EDIT: thought a little more... lol....the function of these "aug 6th" family of chords [Italian 6th, French 6th, German 6th, Tristan Chord etc] is...
a secondary dominant....

jeez.. that's two whole thinks in the same day...
clearly bad for my rep... lol..


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Thu Mar 13 '08 6:36:33 pm Set this message as last read

liquidguitar

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Clarky, With all due respect, I am by no means a theory guy but I thought the Eb major scale has an F natural and not an Fb? Isn't there a whole step between the tonic and the second?
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:38:57 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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hahaaaaa... dude you're right... it is F... just goes to show that I can't spell if my life depended on it.. lmao..

Eb = Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, D

duuhhhhh ! ! ! lol..

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death cube k

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looks like fun..
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:47:24 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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it is... it's a lot of fun if you're a bit of a chord perv...

which I clearly am.. lol..

Thu Mar 13 '08 6:49:56 pm Set this message as last read

PhryDom
Dave
Atlanta, GA
USA
Plays: Guitar (45 years)
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wizards eye an Eb anything scale will never have a D# as its first note (or any of its notes). Same pitch, yes; same note - never. Clarky I didn't see your response (and already clicked the set-as-last-read thing), apologies if I'm-a toe-treadin ;) ... oops! saw your next posts. We agree :) Love your perfect, plagal, submediant, etc talk. Takes me back to when I was a helluva lot less rusty!

Like the new homepage. Not too sure about the new single though. Sorry peeps :(
Thu Mar 13 '08 6:55:45 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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Phryg - hey bro.. how's things... been a long time....
treading on toes??? naahhhh... just means you can hold my coat if things get nasty... LMAO...
all this scale and chord talk can be pretty rough bizniz.... lol...
Thu Mar 13 '08 7:00:35 pm Set this message as last read

Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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You dont wana know M!

damn cant sleep, stomachs upset or something, cant stop thinkin of a new song i wrote either, so im back up at 2am =/
Thu Mar 13 '08 7:14:06 pm Set this message as last read

Wizards Eye
Steven Shearin
Palm Beach Gardens, Fl
U.S.A.
Plays: Guitar (41 years)
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Do I have this right? In G IV(C) V(D) I(G) the IV in 1st inv. would be E-G-C. The bII in 1st inv. would be Cb-Eb-Ab. Then the VI E-G-B. Then I in 2nd inv.D-G-B then V7 D-F#-A-C then to I G-B-D. The reason I mentiond enigmatic was merely to show that here's a scale in which you could have enharmonic weirdness. For instance E enigmatic E-F-G#-A#-C-D-D#/Eb. Or E enigmatic minor E-F-G-A#-B-D-D#/Eb. So if you were to compose a whole piece, maybe as a challenge or something, in one of these keyes you would have to use the proper accidentals as you went along. My point being that whatever it looks like on paper it's still going to sound enigmatic. I know you're a keyboard man and written music is a big part of playing your instrument. You've got a real grasp of theory and I respect that. This is a great way to share info accross instruments even though the approach may be different. Please send more thoughts about theory and harmony 'cause this is why I joined this site. I love Joe's playing and figured I'd meet some smart musicians here. Thanks Clark.
Thu Mar 13 '08 7:38:53 pm Set this message as last read

PhryDom
Dave
Atlanta, GA
USA
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Oh I'll hold your coat... and your pint, which was on me anyway ;) Next time you're stateside gimme a shout. I did congratulate a fellow lefty on the Jimmy Marshall thing btw :) Got to eat then kip... you're up late! Or is it early?! Later bro. Kill em with info! ;)
Thu Mar 13 '08 8:01:56 pm Set this message as last read

loll
Lol Mettam
Plymouth, Devon
UK
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Thanks for posting the new song Joe.

My honest opinion of "I just wanna Rock" after two listenings:

I like the track's opening simplicity (and similarity to A Whole Lotta Rosie); great rhythm tone. (Can't make out what the distorted voice is saying. Is it something like "What is yabedness?!" - oh, ok it's "What is your purpose?") I think the solos are just right: not overblown or directionless and with a good variety of styles and with sounds quite reminiscent of some bits of solos from the FIABD album. The talk box section is fun, but it's no Haitian Divorce.

What I'm missing are some interesting/meandering changes to add a bit more depth to the composition, but then I think that maybe this track is meant to be a simple groover for us all to chant along with on concert night.

Short, ain't it? :o)

Overall, I like "I just wanna Rock" way more than Super Colossal (not the whole album, just the song) which I found a little too cheesy for my liking. My lad is going to love it.

I'm really looking forward to hearing Joe's thoughts on this one and can't wait to hear something with a bit more substance.


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Thu Mar 13 '08 8:15:45 pm Set this message as last read

Wizards Eye
Steven Shearin
Palm Beach Gardens, Fl
U.S.A.
Plays: Guitar (41 years)
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I see how all this started. I went back to Canchito's question and in my reply I did say Eb instead of D# brain fart on my part, sorry folks an honest mistake. They are the same pitch and not the same notation. However I did say I was here to talk about guitar playing and that's all. So we don't need guys like PhryDum trying to start any friction in here. If you've got anything intellectual to add by all means join in. Telling Clark you'll hold his coat is while he apparently does something to me is unnecessary and rude. Let's be civil to one another for all it's worth. We can learn about music and manners.

Edited Thu Mar 13 '08 10:36 pm
Thu Mar 13 '08 9:01:45 pm Set this message as last read

ClarkyNZ
Aaron Clark
Rangiora, Canterbury
New Zealand
Plays: Guitar (37 years)
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Maaate! Loving the sample track on the home page, can't wait to get my (pre-ordered) album into the car! See you in New Zealand later this year. Aaron Clark, New Zealand.
Thu Mar 13 '08 9:40:30 pm Set this message as last read

Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
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Anyone know of any simple data recovery freeware?


i get an error message when i try to load my camera's XD card, i tried PC inspector Smartmedia recovery but to of no avail, it loaded one foto kinda but the rest were just not workin, but yeah andyone know anything easy simple and free?


Tony Danza is on Tv :|
Thu Mar 13 '08 10:12:06 pm Set this message as last read

Zenfish

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Ken : cool.

______________________

I have to say that i know almost nothing about solfege.

Some polemics are far beyong my head.

Some of my music

Thu Mar 13 '08 11:21:17 pm Set this message as last read

BigBunny

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woo hoo! site has been updated, thanx for the podcast Joe >=:o) i'm gonna be going around saying 'what is your purpose?' to everyone i meet now ;P
Fri Mar 14 '08 12:21:57 am Set this message as last read

canchito
nathan reeve
La Verkin, UT
usa
Plays: Guitar (28 years)
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Wizard, Clarky

Wow. It took me quite a while to wade through the first little bit of theory you put out there for me. My perception was that the feel went from tight to looser to really loose with the blues. I liked the progressions, and it was very helpful when you spelled things out for me. I had one question though. Isn't the major scale within the Eb minor scale the Gb maj? How do you get a D maj scale from an Eb minor? Anyway, I stumbled through the first couple posts--then it got REALLY complex. Have you read that Far Side comic--"May I be excused? My brain is full." lol

I love it though. Theory is cool, I just haven't put in enough effort to learn the basics. I've always kind of played by ear.



Edited Fri Mar 14 '08 1:39 am

Fri Mar 14 '08 1:17:47 am Set this message as last read
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