"Hey joe,
I am a big fan and i am 14 years old can you give some advice on modes and scales and what approach i should have towards them i know the major scale but others not yet.. i would also like to know how modes are different to scales? I know that they are but research on the internet suggests that they are they same.. Thanks for that Pat "
Hi Patdoran129,
There are two excellent videos where Joe explains his approach to modes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQolymKmDA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCdZwASSKuk&feature=related
And as for the relation of scales and modes... the major scale is the basis for a lot of things, and in particular the basis for western music for the last 3-4 centuries or so. It has very powerful harmonic functions (dissonance/consonance, tension-resolution).
The major scale "contains" 7 different modes, one for each of its "degrees" (notes). However, while you may be playing a dorian mode when playing the notes of C major from D to D, this is different from "being in the dorian mode". Because you can play the notes of C major from D to D, and yet you are still in C major, the C chord is still where you "rest" (where you end phrases with consonance), and G7 is still your tension chord (dominant, with the tritone dissonance of B to F).
When you are really "in dorian", the note where you rest is the first note of that mode. (D in D dorian). You are not "referring" to the major scale anymore. The harmonic functions still exist, but you have a different viewpoint. Subjectively, the emphasis has shifted.
From a guitar point of view, it is true that if you know the major scale all over the fretboard, then you are already playing all the related modes. As a consequence, learning them mechanically will be easy enough, all over the fretboard.
However, learning the mechanics is only half of the way. It still takes effort to shift your mental focus to think "modally", and escape from the Major scale "mindframe". (Took me a while to get it, because I am originally a classical guy).
Also, the related modes of the major scale are a good starting point, but there are other modes. Modes can be derived from the minor scales, and looking at different cultures, there are modes that do not "fit" with our major or minor scales. Some of them can be a great inspiration for unusual melodies. For instance, learn the Hungarian minor scale and the modes derived from it, and you will find some superb stunning beautiful colours, a kind of oriental flavour mixed in with a Spanish and European/western ambience.
Of course, there's nothing to stop you from playing one of these more unusual modes over a pedal note or any suitable chord, in a section of a song that otherwise uses the major or minor scale.
I'm sorry I'm not Joe (lol), and I would not reply "in his place" but in the meantime this is something to think about. I hope that he's reading and that he'll reply because he's so good at demonstrating these things. And he does it best with the guitar in his hands so:
Enjoy the videos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQolymKmDA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCdZwASSKuk&feature=related