UematsuMaster
Mike Clements Davis, CA USA Plays: Guitar (28 years)
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Hi Joe!
I've got another problem with students maybe you can help me out with again.
Before I discussed "out of time" phrasing with them. Suggesting they sing the lines they play sends chills down their spines though haha. I suppose we all had to overcome the singing embarrassment at one point... Anyways...
With more advanced students, I'm having a somewhat difficult time teaching them the "legato" phrasing they hear you play. We've all seen the whole, practice scales and modes or symmetrical patterns with hammer ons and pull offs, but rarely do we see a lick look like this (straight up and down) since doing so can be rather boring.
I've resorted to teaching them the 3 note per string idea, and I refer to this pattern (lets use the whole-step whole-step pattern for example) index finger is the anchor, and you start by pulling off the pinky note, then the middle finger hammer-on up to the pinky again, and back down. Say on the first string it would look like this:
--7p3h5h7p5p3---
This done in rapid succession creates a flurry which sounds like we're on the right track. I focus on this "flurry" as the main "engine" of the legato technique as it applies to the fast lead stuff we hear people play. Unfortunately, I kinda run aground there... Short of saying something like, ok lets apply this to a scale and just sort of randomize a pattern.
I say, have a starting place, know the key you wanna stay with, and find a place to end it, in the time frame you wish to allot it.
Thats a mouthful, but this is MY understanding of how I approach this technique. As we would probably agree, this legato technique is a GREAT way of achieving some strange "off time" licks that are so individual of the player...
I know there are sooooo many things that go into concepts like this, and I want to reassure students that, in time, if you develop it, it'll just be natural. Can you share some insight on this subject? When it comes to this style of phrasing, very little I find is common knowledge on it, since it appears so random. But when students come up and say, they wanna play "Surfing With The Alien"... I get excited but know things get rocky when we get deeper into the song.
Always appreciate the comments Joe!
-Mike
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Thu Oct 30 '08 3:40:18 am
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lorenzo001
loren rosenberg glenview, Illinois U.S.A. Plays: Guitar (38 years)
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TIKIMON- Are you going to clearwater show?
don't you think Joe should let people take video cameras into the shows. i seriously doubt that it would hurt his sales at all!! The gratefuld dead let their fans tape concerts for like... ever.
Guitar Samurai-thanks, BTW i love the samurai. i just have one thing to say to anyone who is willing to listen. this is the most important election probably ever. congress has gotten way out of hand. this whole buyout of the banks is clearly unconstitutional. (do your research) besides that there were no strings attached as we were told there would be. i am so distraught as to the direction this country is going. we are losing all our basic freedoms.
Who is Obama? he started as a public organizer. his job is to get government money for the people he represents. we are now learning more about Obamas questionable friends and these people sure as hell don't represent me or most americans. i always looked at politics as the worst of two evils. Obama is not trustworthy. he is deceiving, anti-american, and anti-business. i put a post out 2 months ago that i said Obamas views are border line communist, well foks the proof is in the puddin'. don't want to have to say later "I told you so".
moving back to chicago Nov 16th. People here call this country Little America because its the only mid-eastern country that has the same freedoms. i'm sad in a way because i fear for the future of this country under Obama.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 5:25:18 am
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jimmie mac
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joe,
when you were here in boston, at the meet and greet you
mentioned a band that you were forming and you were looking
for a name. it should be CHICKEN HEADS like the knobs on your
SATCHURATOR. also leslie west was awesome , i loved
the jam at the end.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 6:24:28 am
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tikimon
tampa, florida usa Plays: Guitar (56 years)
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lorenzo001 yep went last night. what a phenomonal thing it was. up in the air about video and cameras. too many people will be mercenary and try to make money off of him, most real fan would not. i was talking to a guy sitting next tome and told him i was getting joe to sign a guitar and the 1st words out of his mouth were "put that on ebay and makes some money." i explained to him it was not going on ebay and i would never do that. he just couldn't understand that.
the js1200 is going to get a workout today. i am hardly able to wait till the HOB's show friday night.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 6:36:03 am
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Igneousiceman
Is Satchurated Vox JS-DS #009473 UK Plays: Guitar (18 years)
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mikesb: Another Bonamassa fan eh? I saw him earlier this year as well. Fav song?
JSPhil: Ha! That my friend is a Rip Off. Nice bike, trouble about the livery...That thrill ride video look down right pant browning. As for the horse one, well...let's just say I nearly had a little accident watching that. Very very funny...=D
Listening to: Excentrifugal Forz by Frank Zappa (crazy it is...)
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Thu Oct 30 '08 7:12:10 am
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tikimon
tampa, florida usa Plays: Guitar (56 years)
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Igneousiceman the crux of the bisquit is the apostrophe... gawd i love that guy., i was able to see him about 15 times. he usually took the time to talk to fans that hung around after the show. fz was special very special. just the players he introduced, terry bozzio, vai, adrain belew, warren currirullo, patrick hearss, flo and eddie after the turtles, mike kannally, ruth and ian underwood. damn the list can go on and on.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 7:54:18 am
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wolf2
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their isnt a damn ,thing wrong with me.My weider weight,s are guaranteed to cure schizophrenia which they have a long time ago it sais write on the box their also guaranteed to make you immune to aid,s sais write on the box the box also sais to be used by men that have had forced incarceration from undevelopment of desighn,a until dated buddy it sais on the box you can either quit taken your schizophrenia medition or keep taken it I keep taken it and collect dissabilty all that bro with the strength of classic weider you know I have been looking at some home gym,s weider makes at sears the thing is is I dont know how they would be better and if even I know my work,s and kill,s I look for thing,s that kill they only make one gym with barely enough weight to lift ,for me I would just eat these thing,s buddy these home gym,s right now I am doing 7 different set,s with 2 110 pound weider free weight plate weight set,s that do all of the about plus they handle the mean but yeah my canadaian mental health associtaion worker knoe,s I cured my schizophrenia with my weight,s he picked the weight,s up with me with his truck no shit dissabilty bro plus he comes once every two week,s I take antipsycotic,s whic people in the martial art world believe is the best and safest high my blood test show,s no traces of scizophrenia from day one I havent had it for about 3/4 of a year after diagnosis then put the weider to it just getting the old brain all reestablished and healthy was work but the weight,s are guaranteed! later wolf2.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 8:06:54 am
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Pip55
Phil W... ... from South West UK Pip55 on twitter Plays: Guitar
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Joe Satriani - another great podcast. Did I notice your tribute to Ringo Starr in that one LMAO? Does this mean you are also going to stop taking Fan Mail? No more autographed guitars ; ) Ha ha...
JS_JS - ha, glad you liked it. More stupid videos on the way too
Blue Moon - do you have a cat you can set on Mr Mouse? Might be quicker. You have mail BTW
Roo - sounds interesting (the project), sounds 'arty' in fact ; ) Good luck whatever it is. I'll check the CD's out and let you know, need to run them both.
Skippygirl - it was the Paris CD I was referring to : ) You beat me to it at the last second and I SO needed that one but ah well. If you get bored of it, fancy a trade or anything please let me know. There's a few OBR's on the bay at the moment, should be easy enough to pick up, although it's just a collection of album tracks anyway isn't it?
JS1200JS1000 - ah, you say it's nothing special but you're on a podcast, it's cool! Think I see ya, just putting a face to a (nick) name. Come down from the high yet?
Do The Stu - no worries on the SC email, just yankin yer chain. If the trip comes off I'm sure there'll be loadsa stuff to talk about. I sent you a quick mail thismorning - it'll literally be a couple days, maybe 2 gigs I guess. Appreciate the offer!
Igeneousiceman - you had me laughing. I thought horse video? I haven't posted any.... I only uploaded that about 5 minutes ago. Are you subscribed?
I'm waiting for the McLaren version of that bike LMAO
Couple more silly vids for everyone....
Get off my food!
Just silly - but funny!
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Thu Oct 30 '08 8:33:14 am
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Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna Dublin Ireland Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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nooooope the cat died a few months ago :-O
it was caught last night a few hours i first seen it... sure i seen the room it went into, so all we had to do was put a mouse trap in there and close the door, and bingo, no more mr mouse, was a bit sad though it was so small
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Thu Oct 30 '08 8:59:15 am
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cheese101
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small just means it was a baby....and babies come from a mommy and a daddy mouse, and usually have brothers and sisters...sooo.......
Cube, on the West coast tour you get Pitrelli :) It's great!! Have a wonderful time, you're going to love it!
Chad, pass those drugs please and thank you.
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Thu Oct 30 '08 9:25:37 am
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THEShredHed
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Joe,
Got to meet you after the DC concert at the Warner Theater. I would just like to say thank you for being so gracious, stopping and talking, signing autographs, and taking pictures. I still haven't washed the hand that shook yours, ok, I did, cause thats just nasty, but I didn't want to, lol. Keep rocking, see you on tour again sometime, hopefully soon!
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Thu Oct 30 '08 10:24:26 am
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Glitz Man
Grant Stieglitz Fort Wayne, Indiana USA
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Hey everyone,
Glad to hear that the Phillies won. Now that the MLB is over, the NBA is now starting.
Please, get this whole election stuff over with!!! There has been too many commerical ads (attacking all the candidates).
Sarah Palin came to Fort Wayne last Saturday to talk and we had people coming to our new Holiday Inn Hotel to get something to eat/drink before they go over to see her.
js1200js1000: For me, it has been non-stop work. I am working everyday (getting off work at the late-time hours). I have serving/cashiering tonight. HOSPITALITY ROCKS!!! By the way, our General Manager, at the new Fort Wayne Holiday Inn, is originally from Toronto, Canada (excellent guy to talk to you).
ZuperDaveMcCarthy: How is everything going with you? For me, it has been busy. How is the family going? Hope the kids are doing well, especially when it comes to the spirit of Halloween/Trick-or-Treating.
Do the Stu/OOTS: Hope everything is going well. By the way, did you see Joe in concert? If so, how was it? The temperature here is warming up a little bit.
Well, gotta run and check my laundry. Got to head on in to work in a couple of hours (and check my work schedule).
Guys, check out the new Fort Wayne Holiday Inn Hotel (at IPFW and the Coliseum) when you get the chance, just look for us online. If you have any questions, call the number and also refer about it by me (Grant).
Deuces everyone!!!
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Thu Oct 30 '08 10:26:35 am
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Guitarman77897
Matt S WI United States Plays: Guitar (21 years)
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I got my cavities filled today :(
OOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!
they hurt,
novacaine doesn't do shit!
my mouth is numb but I still feel pain
WTF!!
L8R
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>.<
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Thu Oct 30 '08 11:08:42 am
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slanshroom
roy marchbank Scotland, Barcelona Spain Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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Sorry if US peeps here dont like the political posts....but....as its your country & our world we have t wake up t what is going on behind the screen
On the 2 towers & WTC 7... Larry Silverstein who already owned TC7 signed a 3.2 billion dollar 99 year lease on the entire trade centre complex SIX WEEKS prior t 9/11, included in the lease is a 3.5billion insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism.....eh did i hear someone say pull the plug?
Loose Change documentary
Personaly i think Ron Paul was the best choice for all, Obama is a great speaker no doubt, McCain should have been president the last 8 years but got smeared by bull, i,m not mad on either but whatever happens out of these elections one thing is for sure its all goin t get worse b4 it gets better so lets not point fingers of blame on the next US president when shit REALLY hits te fan
last post on the subject from me...
beer oclock Cappy
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