anibur
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Michelle....geez...I hope u feel better soon, I have just recovered from a reeeellly bad cold, started off feeling freezing cold, followed with sore throat etc. etc. Love & warm hugs to ya, BTW thanks for email. xxx
Joe - behind you all the way with the Coldplay thing.......
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Sun Dec 7 '08 9:34:13 am
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anibur
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081205/ten-coldplay-sued-over-viva-la-vida-ea4616c.html
It seems that Joe now comes from LA...!
EDIT: click on the link for 'space' and...................LOL
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Sun Dec 7 '08 9:38:00 am
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thefireman
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Thought this was very interesting.....
A good take and I think he just might know what the hell he is talking about.
Do I think Coldplay sat down and said, "Let's steal this song!" Probably not.... I hope not. I dont really like their "pop" music and I am thinking that they played ignorant and arrogant. Reminds me of Oasis... Lame.....
Check the link. Good accurate info I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGGFJLpbu4
Later all!
TheFireman
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Sun Dec 7 '08 10:55:39 am
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cosmic_ape
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I said this on my last post:
...I think the musical aspect can very much be justified as a copy, now the intention is always tricky... the melody is there, VLV is built on that theme and then it has many variations that take place in order to accommodate the lyrics... we have melody, rhythm and ( I haven't analyzed the chord voicings used on CP's song, the progression is the same) possibly harmony been way too similar...
it looks like somebody beat me to proving it... thanks to whoever posted this... in case you missed it, Did Coldplay copy Joe Satriani? Let's Do the Music Theory...
As stated in the video, the harmony is there, too... that's three out of three... I did not elaborate on the rhythm, but this guy did it for me, too (thanks, dude!)... the feel is the same, the tempo, pretty much there, too... too many things being too similar, it looks fishy if you ask me!
now, all musicians out there, back me up on this... would you say most of CP's hits have a "two feel"? I am not a fan of theirs, but I have been exposed to their music, (hello they're mainstream!) I'd even go on a dare and say the "two feel" could be considered part of their signature sound!!! All of the sudden, this new hit has an upbeat overall "four feel" and on top of that, shares almost every single musical component with a song JOE released 4 years ago... It's something to consider, definitely...
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A quick search on youtube helped me determine that they do have an overall two feel... "Clocks", "Fix You", "Trouble", "Speed of Sound", all of those can fit into that category...
For those who don't study music, a "two feel" is basically when you have a song that has, in this case in particular, four beats per measure (you know when they drummer counts 1, 2, 3, 4... it's like 95%of the music you hear on the radio), but the musicians accent beats one and three, so the overall feeling is that the tune has only TWO beats per measure ... example
you have four beats, like this:
1...2...3...4...
but they play it like this
ONE...two...THREE...four...
As a result, the melody feels more relaxed, it has more space and room to breathe... Granted, a lot of ballads have this feel, but this band has made its name and built its reputation upon this foundation... Going out of that comfort zone in a song that has arguably way too many components of another song already just does not help their case... my 2 cents...
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Sun Dec 7 '08 11:13:54 am
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novjul
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The problem with the music theory vid from creativeguitars is he only shows why the chord progressions are similar (and tempo/meter are the same) NONE OF WHICH IS COPYRIGHT PROTECTED MATERIAL. What makes Joe's case is the MELODY, and I've yet to see someone write it out note for note in standard time signature treble clef fashion. I've noticed slight variances between the two, but I do think Joe's case is extremely solid or else the lawsuit would not have been pursued by Our Hero.
Totally with you, Joe!
...peace2all...
~Faye
p.s. and he states verbally the melodies differ and he was corrected in the comments so he takes it back there in the comments section.
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Sun Dec 7 '08 11:14:53 am
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McDave
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Ok..anyone else who is sick..I think I have you beat. I have an abcessed right tonsil AND a head cold. And as usual I'm trying to wish it away because because I don't have health insurance. Looks like I'll be going to the doc's tomorrow dammit.
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Sun Dec 7 '08 11:25:26 am
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anibur
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cosmic_ape.........brilliant explanation for us non musicians out here, [bUT do know extremely talented playing of course]....I can give you more than 2 cents how about £200?
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Sun Dec 7 '08 11:46:33 am
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wolf2
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...well that worry is officialy off my mind,you see I specifically had john my old boss at the shell station order me in turbo power antifreeze/ coolant well you see it should do exactly what it sais on the bottle medicaly too you ,only if you have 2 thing,s one is no incest in your charnigline 2 is no mental anywhere in your body concentrating on the brainyou see when I got diagnosed with schizophrenia I was fit no mental they said just the schizophrenia I wasnt sure so I made the order for my special antifreeze /coolant to test and used my ski-doo mx now i am protected by it as well I just had the same turbo power poo boul movement whic is 100 % no ment or incest I have been haveing from it for 17 years they did not lie anything with me is just the way I am any yeah cmha is organized the waynes world computer a cable to metal health they order the cmha is working and is owned by the central inteligence agency of america and yeah their in a setup later wolf2 turbo power classic s poo were good later wolf2.
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Sun Dec 7 '08 11:56:20 am
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Nebuna64
George kastias
toronto, ontario
Canada
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Hey, Joe christmas is coming up. Got anything for your friends?
By the way... WHY IS YOUR NEW ALBUM SO ADDICTIVE
HAHA LOVE IT! Cant even stop listening to it (I love each one of them and thanks for coming to Toronto and playing overdriver :) FAV SONG)
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Sun Dec 7 '08 12:31:22 pm
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michelle
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SupaaDupaaDave, make sure you ask for generic drugs. They'll prolly give you an antibiotic. Just make sure they don't prescribe you any Mycoxafloppin. Yer tonsils won't be the only unhappy thing.
;-)
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Sun Dec 7 '08 12:36:59 pm
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roo
Andrew Longhorn
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Australia
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maritime: you are very generous. How much do the cds cost where you are, how can you afford to buy cds and send them to the less fortunate?
Joe and the T2J guys (and of course, the legendary T2J girls) : There are 2 things absolutely positive that have come of the Coldplay thing:
1) A helovalot more people know who Joe is... "Any publicity is good publicity" and...
2) a lot more people are getting interested and being exposed to a lot more music theory and it's meaning/applicability/etc..
Roo
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Sun Dec 7 '08 2:21:17 pm
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Two Shay
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Chadley1234Chadley5678 - It was a bit of fun, nothing more. Perhaps you might like to try finding a sense of humour. Oh yeah, and if you're going to try to insult me please find someone with a little intelligence who can advise you how to do it properly. Sorry you took it the wrong way, I though you understood where I was coming from. My bad.
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Sun Dec 7 '08 2:23:17 pm
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roo
Andrew Longhorn
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Australia
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And "moe batriani" must be due to the batty moustache laden interviewer on the Satriani podcasts, who seems to have several interchangeable accents - he must be a real word traveler.
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Sun Dec 7 '08 2:24:41 pm
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wolf2
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Joe just listen I do own this country hey man CanadaI owned ontario since I was eleven then bought the country hwne I was 13 years old or so I realy do have the best bunch of chic working for me at the capital building well you see people were commiting me hey man saying I was mentioning these people the local hospital said their nothing wrong with him they tried to commit me again except I put a hunting knife to the cops didler penis and ball area then his throat went to jail got sent for an asessment they did a cat scan they said their is not a frigging the hospital psychaitrist said wrong with you it,s excellent health and you do know all these people and they all talk and communicate in joe satrians comment section and you do know them personaly so he said pick what you want gave me alist of about 14 things I picked schizophrenia My problem is I actual take the medcition for it theirs nothing wrong and I am high out of my mind dr chan said i can take the medication like vitamins daily no shit even my dissabilty office is great get dissabilty for a diagnosis i picked nothing wrong with and get claasg high the grwatest pharmaceutical high no shit good govermnt chics later wolfie.
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fatape
craig
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Blue_Moon:- I'm with you on the Coldplay bullshit! I believe all of Joe's fans are behind him 100%,and I'm damn sure Joe knows it!!!!! C'mon people, lets get a bit more mature.Whatever th outcome of all this may be,Joe will still be MY number one musician.
Joe,may your life be as long and beautiful as possible,and may you continue finding inspiration to do what you do best.You are most certainly a huge influence on me,both as a musician AND fellow human being.
C'MON SATCHLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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