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GoldenGirl2
Millicent Moritz
Santa Clara, California
USA
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SkippyGirl--I didn't know you had an office in here. What color paint or wallpaper did you use and what does your desk look like?

GoldenGirl2

Wed Feb 25 '09 9:41:32 pm Set this message as last read

GoldenGirl2
Millicent Moritz
Santa Clara, California
USA
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LOL! Have ya'll noticed how the Aussies and Canadians have been flirtin' with each other in this space? Also they been flirtin' with the President of the United States and sendin' him flowers and gifts. Such flattery will get them everywhere!!!!!!!!!! Awwwww shucks....you guys! ;-0)

GoldenGirl2

Wed Feb 25 '09 9:46:11 pm Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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To all the guitar players- Dumb Question #22 -

I started on the A pentatonic and was using the same approach as chords i.e. arched fingers so as not to touch other strings etc but then I went back to the vids of PipSatrini (daddy long legs fingers) and Blue Moony and Joe I noticed that they actually keep their fingers quite straightish and parallel to the finger board and just tap the end of their fingers on each string - so my question is does it not matter that you might touch the other strings (since you are only picking one) or are you somehow not touching them at all?

2nd part of Dumb Question - is it better technique to only have 1 finger on 1 string at a time or is it OK to keep a string depressed if your next note is not affected i.e. playing F on the 1st string then G can I leave the F depressed - it's easier.

Cheers in advance.

Wed Feb 25 '09 10:43:33 pm Set this message as last read

Zenfish

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Slansh : i share your statement about competition polluting composition.

But as you know, competition is an easier way than composition. & people do what they are able to do.

Edit : i just would like to add that if, across this democratic competition, a musician bets onto composition, how many luck does he get to be heard?

Very few.

& there's lot of musicians who bet onto composition.

That's one of the big democratic paradox.

Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 12:11 am

Wed Feb 25 '09 11:09:44 pm Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
Aron Ortega
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SkippyGirl, first part, it has to do with two things:

At first you need to over emphasize the fretting in order to get it right and avoid injuries due to awkward positioning. On top of that, your fingers need to loosen up and get used to the guitar related motions (they're muscles and you need to build them up like an athlete)... Once you reach that stage, you will find that you don't need to move your fingers as much in order to get places... your fingers will have gained some skill around the fretboard and you will find that you can optimize your fretting with less finger movement...

number 2. what you have seen is these guys playing pentatonic scales, right? well, the basic pentatonic box has your index finger fretting one note on each string, at the same fret. This means that you can almost barre your fingers across that fret almost as if you were playing an F chord, for example(not quite across the whole set of strings, but two or three at a time)...
On top of that, pentatonics call for blues and blues calls for string bending, so your hand needs to be on a certain angle in order for it to able to bend strings effectively... And, if you must know, these guys probably had some kind of distortion going on, so that's another issue...
Once you play guitar with some sort of gain on your signal, you have to adapt your technique to the point that if you strum across the only note(s) you will hear is/are the one(s) you meant to play. Everything else needs to be muted or it will sound like crap... This is not so important when playing acoustic and too much to think of when you're just getting started...

Hope that helps...


Wed Feb 25 '09 11:39:09 pm Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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Cosmic Ape - Aha!!! (slaps forehead) that makes sense, thanks for that detailed description I appreciate it. I was watching Pip play Extremist and it's ike a spider crawling over the frets so you can see the economy of finger movement - maybe in a year or so I'll nail it.

Will be heading to guitar lessons soon, have to wait for the stars to align.......

edit - thanks ibanez-god, too.

Edited Wed Feb 25 '09 11:49 pm

Wed Feb 25 '09 11:48:25 pm Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
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to answer the 2nd part of your question(and you thought I had forgotten!)...

is it better technique to only have 1 finger on 1 string at a time or is it OK to keep a string depressed if your next note is not affected i.e. playing F on the 1st string then G can I leave the F depressed - it's easier.

well, that answer has two parts also:
1. It depends on where you're going. In order to play through the song changes without falling behind on the tempo you have to learn to anticipate your next movement. It's like when you are driving, you don't stare at the road that is right in front of your hood... You keep your chin up and look at the road that is a couple of feet in front of you and its surroundings... So that pattern of "driving through the changes" will dictate the fingerings and the different ways you can play the same chords...

2. I wouldn't advice to leave your finger there just to make it easier on you. Yes, your next finger won't have to press as hard, but this might come and bite you later on. Then, you might find afterward that it is hard for you to change to certain chords because your hand is stuck somewhere else. I say deal with the pressure and get your fingers used to it. You will have less fingers to drag to the next position.

Again, it depends on where you're going... If you're coming back to that position, sure... why not?


Wed Feb 25 '09 11:56:12 pm Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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Cossy - great! Thanks for that. Since I am just playing the scale there seems to be economy in hitting, say E,F,G with 2 fingers down on F and G (for G) but I can see I need to anticipate where that first finger might be needed next.

How long to Satch Boogie do you reckon? :0)

Thu Feb 26 '09 12:08:56 am Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
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one more thing about muting strings. Eric Johnson calls it dampening
Thu Feb 26 '09 12:09:41 am Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
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that depends entirely on you... I still can't play the thing decently, but I haven't really practiced or tried to figure it out in many years... I guess it scared me away a long time ago and I never wnet back to it... maybe I should...


Thu Feb 26 '09 12:11:52 am Set this message as last read

Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
Plays: Bass (25 years)
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CommodoreDrake - It looks like you have a lot of guitar advice now...let us know what you choose...


GoldenGirl2 - Here...I'll help you out with Porcupine Tree. Here's their MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/porcupinetree

You can listen to some of their songs there, assuming you have Flash installed. I recommend starting with Blackest Eyes and Trains from the album In Absentia. From there, go to the album Deadwing and check out Arriving Somewhere But Not Here.

After that, if you like the heavier stuff go for something like Shallow or Halo. If you like the lighter stuff, listen to Lazarus or maybe Open Car.

I'd love to hear what you think...have fun! :-)


cosmic_ape - I didn't realize you were a lefty...if we have time on Saturday maybe we can go to Sam Ash (across the street from Guitar Center) and I can show you the sweet lefty Strat that Al nearly fell in love with when he was out here...
Listening to: Paul Gilbert - Burning Organ (current song: Amy Is Amazing)

...Austin...

Thu Feb 26 '09 12:30:11 am Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
Aron Ortega
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the sweet lefty @ Sam Ash... I play it every time I go there... It's a custom shop white blonde with tinted maple neck, right? and there's a vintage one around there somewhere, too...


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Thu Feb 26 '09 12:36:13 am Set this message as last read

slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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Zen:ah well as they say.....its not what y know its who y know unless you have serious contacts interested in your work y might as well stick t the day job

other thoughts, the net is a remarkable machine but 2 many kids imo are glued t their bedroom with a vid camera uploadin t youtube, its mentally unhealthy.They should be getting out there playing with other musicians n keepin it real....i mean if they ever find work what are they goin t say

30 year old.... job experience? um none,

life experience?.. had a shitload of partys & used up a ton of my parents cash

so what have you done wit your life........umm i know my way round my house real well

sad really fuckin sad

at least the peeps on this board have pulled the finger out, shockin how many "Ma... dya have a spare 1000 on y" lazy workshy spongin bollox out there....it wont be happenin t my kid i tells yer

morning rant over



Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 12:57 am

Thu Feb 26 '09 12:56:38 am Set this message as last read

Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
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cosmic_ape - Yep, that's the one...how silly of me to think it'd be new to you. ;-) I don't think we saw the vintage one there, though.

...Austin...

Thu Feb 26 '09 12:58:47 am Set this message as last read

cosmic_ape
Aron Ortega
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oh, the other one is hidden... It's twice as much money so...
Thu Feb 26 '09 1:01:20 am Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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Cossy - you make it sound like a woman...;0). What's it like living' in Hollywood BTW? Run into anyone famous lately?

Wow the Eric Johson thing was great - thanks - just makes me sigh how much there is to learn, step 1 of the 1000 step journey I guess.

slanshroom - I agree with you, balancing the digital age with teaching kids gratitude and initiative is a constant battle. How old/many are your kids?

Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 1:26 am

Thu Feb 26 '09 1:25:53 am Set this message as last read

slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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ibanez_god:Then yer brothers will find it impossible when the money runs out n mummy is no longer around, you,ll have your day, as for as our very own Bush, the man is clueless, Brown doesnt have vision worthy enough t be prime minister hes goin t destroy whats left of the UK

Skippygirl:At the moment one, hes only 14months, mad into teletubbies at mo so everythin is big hugs n uh oh lol

Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 1:45 am

Thu Feb 26 '09 1:27:25 am Set this message as last read

slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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ibanez_god:Oh god the old family drill the nail in the head "why cant you get a job" line.I got that shit for years by my first set of wanker inlaws except it was "why cant you get a real job" because being a session musician & teaching private back in the day wasnt regarded as real work ffs so i divorced n went on tour lol, chin up bud it cant rain forever

?you sent a myspace request¿ not checked my mail, gotta go n get some work done anyhoos laters

Slans space

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Thu Feb 26 '09 1:56:17 am Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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Slans - aww......he sounds cute, do you play to him? Bet he would love the music you can play for him, what a gift from a parent.

ibanez-god - you'll be right my friend, you have a talent with guitar, a lovely nature, generosity and you are a good teacher. I could never earn a crust from music, at least you could busk if you had to (you'd probably earn a good income!) and sit on a stool :0). And it would be all yours.

Thu Feb 26 '09 2:04:06 am Set this message as last read

Zenfish

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Slansh : Music is currently under a crap system..

Commecial stuff is commercial stuff inside the hands of commercial guys. They don't serve the music. They use music to save money. They kill the flower inside people's brains.

None commercial stuff is full of incredible guys who build serious things to serve music.. check Jamendo. A minority of them become a few known. Very few famous.

To get an other job than music is the price to pay to be independant in music & serve her.

& we are crossing very hard economic days.

Thu Feb 26 '09 2:39:17 am Set this message as last read

michelle

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Slan, I'm 44 and life is still big hugs and uh oh's!

Man, I'm in such a sucky mood I just wanna quit my job and crawl into a feckin hole for a while. Some days it feels like yer treading water with weights on yer ankles.

ah well, tra-la tra-la.... off I go....

Thu Feb 26 '09 3:37:08 am Set this message as last read

Satriella
Satriella Walker
Sudbury, Suffolk
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ibanez_god - oH MY WORD!!!! ....i dont know what was worse....the singing...the dancing....if thats what you could call it...the words....or leonard nearly kissing that girl....eeeeeurkkkk!

Lord of the Rings...is now ruined!

LMHO!!

Hugs Satriella xx

PS ....I wonder if JOE has his hands insured?

Thu Feb 26 '09 5:29:03 am Set this message as last read

death cube k

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zen and Slansh i see it all the time , some kids with chops , but work out to never being above the level of trained monkey ....not that i am above a monkey myself.. but its more about arpeggio's and sweeping than actual melodies


my cover of a miley cyrus tune ..fly on the wall

Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 6:10 am

Thu Feb 26 '09 6:09:51 am Set this message as last read

slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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mama M:I,m 40 this June 24!!! argh

JLees fav morn brecky program eh oh i,ll mail y a happy pic l8r

Cube:From a substance viewpoint i find most instrumental guitar boring, i mean if your goin t let your chops rip at least bring something original technically t the table, furthermore song structures are looked on as secondary t the guitar solo....thats insane ffs thats where the heart of the work is but peeps rehash old solo ideas concepts spat out over rushed put together drums bass n keys backing, it just all makes for a very dull day

did yer man get that solo o mine stuck in the right place btw goin for a listen t yer track now bro...back laters

Zen:All true

Edited Thu Feb 26 '09 6:35 am

Thu Feb 26 '09 6:18:24 am Set this message as last read

death cube k

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slansh scott tells me he will send the fixed version by the end of this week
Thu Feb 26 '09 6:48:16 am Set this message as last read
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