ptrocker
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Yet they are so practical! How I enjoy carrying just two bags to the gigs and taking 5 minutes to set things up... :)))
But I'm starting to realize the sound quality might be far from what I expected... But then, how come they sound so good at home?
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:16:23 am
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minimoog
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PT: being an apple guy I tried some of the Garage Band virtual amps and they sounded awful compared to my old 70's Harmony clean with the Satchurator. I really hated the latency also. Oh I'd love a JVM 410H with the slant cab, but after my most recent guitar purchase, that won't be happening for awhile.
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:49:09 am
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slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
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ptrocker:The majority of my old tone came from original jap boss pedals.I,d take those 7 pedals in a box to every gig & session,unfortunately they are now discontinued & have been replaced with new versions made in Taiwan which really suck major bad tonaly in comparison. I had comp, noise sup, Korg OV1 "still have" DS1, chorus, bass parametric EQ & Reverb that had an amazing eq on it.The tone was exquisite
& yup smokin weed does tend to make sound amongst other things a little better lol, enjoy yer spliff
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:55:08 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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minimoog, all processors I've tried sounded horrible until I tried Line 6 POD.
I'm not talking about generic signal processors versus good old amps.
I'm talking about Line 6 POD vs traditional amps...
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:55:52 am
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death cube k
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ptrocker the fractal audio AXE FX is the best most like a real amp processor i have ever used .. even it sounds close to my cornford...sags like a real amp and feels right .. its just really expensive
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:57:07 am
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TheBob
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Hello Satch world! Havent been here for a very very long time...kinda lost myself for awhile. Just wanted to say hi and hopefully a few of you remember me! Hi Joe!
Bob
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Thu Sep 24 '09 7:57:56 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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Thanks, guys, for your comments.
A quick/direct question: does any of you play live using signal processor without amp and is convinced his/her sound is as good as the "real thing"?
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:05:50 am
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slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
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ptrocker:Cube has me interested in the fractal axe fx now, i,m goin t have to check it out.Other than that i dont know of any amp/sim that come close t the real thing, i mean they all work, but in a really nasty way
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:36:37 am
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mowlie_2000
Aarren Mowle
Bradford, Yorkshire, UK
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On the amp/emulator debate... I use a rack setup with a marshall JMP-1 and power amp with a TC fx unit going via a valve poweramp and 4x12 cab (or 2 - depends on the venue...). I have tried the emulator out on the marshall both live and studio and although it is passable it doesnt come close to the sound coming from an amp.
What you could try to see if it helps is having a monitor behind you just like an amp to see if that helps as guitar amps are naturally 'fuzzy' when right on top of them so having it behind you may be better for your ears...
Cheers,
Aarren
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:52:45 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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Cube's response confused me! I was expecting a "Are you crazy? Processors can never reach the real tone's quality... Go fix yourself!" kind of replies :) I'm glad someone is happy with a processor. It means hope :)
I was pretty sure I was playing with a sound as nice and complete as the "traditional" dudes until I played with one of them on the same stage two weeks ago.
I'll post a video of us two playing in duet (me with my Line 6 directly to the mixer and the other guy with his JCM and mic) and you'll understand what I'm trying to say... The difference is huge! It could be the volume but I think there's something else.
I don't know Fractal Axe, but Line 6 is supposedly one of the best options there is so it is probably me that hasn't been able to shape a proper tone... (yet!)
Thanks, dudes! I won't give up yet...
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:58:57 am
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Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
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This is fucking ridiculous
Windows 7 launch party, whats that all about those folks can shove Windows 7 up their massive arses... bloody windows is shite
Gotta love the European fellers in charge of the EU... Ireland votes no for an Eu policy.. a while later they're making us vote again for a yes answer.... im pretty sure a lot of people are just going to vote no again since our original vote wasnt good enough for them... what a joke... the countries fucked beyond repair
as for the real/processor sounds... ive recorded with a pod for years, yeah they're fine and technology has advanced even more now but you cant beat a real amp and mic... simple really
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:00:13 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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mowlie_2000: that's a good suggestion, the problem is (at least with my pod) I have to configure whether I'm playing directly to the table or connected to an amp, I can't use both. Since I consider more important the sound to the audience, I set it up to play in direct and use the phones output to have the monitoring sound connecting it to a Marshall 80W amp on my back, but I am aware the quality is all screwed up... I can't (or at least I don't know how to) set the line output to "direct" and the monitoring output (phones) to "amp"... :( The result is a really bad monitoring sound (I have to cut all the amp trebles, for instance, just to make it less horrible) I was convinced the sound that came out through the PA was ok though... After listening to my last concert recording, I was not that sure anymore...
Alan: I think you are right. The thing is these processors are so practical that for a minor loss in sound quality, I still prefer to use them. What I'm trying to understand is exactly how "minor" is this loss...
Thanks again for your help!
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:13:53 am
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Guitarvibes
Frits The T2J heretic.
The Netherlands
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Play with POD XT Live and POD X3 Live everywhere and ProTools record with them. Live through 2x TECH21 Power Engine to reproduce the PODtones (direct/studio out) uncolored as I made them. And from the TECH21's XLR-out straight to PA. Never put simulating equipment through a regular guitar amp unless you go in through FX return to only use the power amp. The discussion between the "real" thing and simulated is old and the only I learn from it is that most musicians are scaringly conservative.
BTW: Joe uses Palmer speaker simulators... and TECH21 Sansamp sometimes, recording.
Listening to: Dream Theater - Black clouds & silver linings
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:19:49 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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Guitarvibes, now that's a great album!
Another great recent release: Pearl Jam - "Backspacer"
I'll give you guys a break now, I've posted more today than over the last months... :)
Abraços,
VP
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:26:17 am
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cosmic_ape
Aron Ortega
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I've run my POD through my JSX's clean channel and I've liked what came out of it, for the most part...
I look at it this way: If you have a bar gig, would you rather haul your big ass 100 lb. tube amp or take a laptop with you?
It's all good and unless you're Eric Johnson, you probably won't tell the difference...
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bluebuffalo
Freddy Garza
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TheBob-- hi your right we haven't seen from you in a long while. How was your trip on the spaceship.. lol
DoTheStu- what is " IT'd " some journalist liberties? good for you
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