ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
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Thanks, guys, for your comments.
A quick/direct question: does any of you play live using signal processor without amp and is convinced his/her sound is as good as the "real thing"?
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:05:50 am
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slanshroom
roy marchbank
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Spain
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ptrocker:Cube has me interested in the fractal axe fx now, i,m goin t have to check it out.Other than that i dont know of any amp/sim that come close t the real thing, i mean they all work, but in a really nasty way
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:36:37 am
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mowlie_2000
Aarren Mowle
Bradford, Yorkshire, UK
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On the amp/emulator debate... I use a rack setup with a marshall JMP-1 and power amp with a TC fx unit going via a valve poweramp and 4x12 cab (or 2 - depends on the venue...). I have tried the emulator out on the marshall both live and studio and although it is passable it doesnt come close to the sound coming from an amp.
What you could try to see if it helps is having a monitor behind you just like an amp to see if that helps as guitar amps are naturally 'fuzzy' when right on top of them so having it behind you may be better for your ears...
Cheers,
Aarren
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:52:45 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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Cube's response confused me! I was expecting a "Are you crazy? Processors can never reach the real tone's quality... Go fix yourself!" kind of replies :) I'm glad someone is happy with a processor. It means hope :)
I was pretty sure I was playing with a sound as nice and complete as the "traditional" dudes until I played with one of them on the same stage two weeks ago.
I'll post a video of us two playing in duet (me with my Line 6 directly to the mixer and the other guy with his JCM and mic) and you'll understand what I'm trying to say... The difference is huge! It could be the volume but I think there's something else.
I don't know Fractal Axe, but Line 6 is supposedly one of the best options there is so it is probably me that hasn't been able to shape a proper tone... (yet!)
Thanks, dudes! I won't give up yet...
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Thu Sep 24 '09 8:58:57 am
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Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
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This is fucking ridiculous
Windows 7 launch party, whats that all about those folks can shove Windows 7 up their massive arses... bloody windows is shite
Gotta love the European fellers in charge of the EU... Ireland votes no for an Eu policy.. a while later they're making us vote again for a yes answer.... im pretty sure a lot of people are just going to vote no again since our original vote wasnt good enough for them... what a joke... the countries fucked beyond repair
as for the real/processor sounds... ive recorded with a pod for years, yeah they're fine and technology has advanced even more now but you cant beat a real amp and mic... simple really
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:00:13 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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mowlie_2000: that's a good suggestion, the problem is (at least with my pod) I have to configure whether I'm playing directly to the table or connected to an amp, I can't use both. Since I consider more important the sound to the audience, I set it up to play in direct and use the phones output to have the monitoring sound connecting it to a Marshall 80W amp on my back, but I am aware the quality is all screwed up... I can't (or at least I don't know how to) set the line output to "direct" and the monitoring output (phones) to "amp"... :( The result is a really bad monitoring sound (I have to cut all the amp trebles, for instance, just to make it less horrible) I was convinced the sound that came out through the PA was ok though... After listening to my last concert recording, I was not that sure anymore...
Alan: I think you are right. The thing is these processors are so practical that for a minor loss in sound quality, I still prefer to use them. What I'm trying to understand is exactly how "minor" is this loss...
Thanks again for your help!
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:13:53 am
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Guitarvibes
Frits The T2J heretic.
The Netherlands
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Play with POD XT Live and POD X3 Live everywhere and ProTools record with them. Live through 2x TECH21 Power Engine to reproduce the PODtones (direct/studio out) uncolored as I made them. And from the TECH21's XLR-out straight to PA. Never put simulating equipment through a regular guitar amp unless you go in through FX return to only use the power amp. The discussion between the "real" thing and simulated is old and the only I learn from it is that most musicians are scaringly conservative.
BTW: Joe uses Palmer speaker simulators... and TECH21 Sansamp sometimes, recording.
Listening to: Dream Theater - Black clouds & silver linings
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:19:49 am
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ptrocker
Vasco Patricio
Ericeira,
Portugal
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Guitarvibes, now that's a great album!
Another great recent release: Pearl Jam - "Backspacer"
I'll give you guys a break now, I've posted more today than over the last months... :)
Abraços,
VP
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Thu Sep 24 '09 9:26:17 am
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cosmic_ape
Aron Ortega
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I've run my POD through my JSX's clean channel and I've liked what came out of it, for the most part...
I look at it this way: If you have a bar gig, would you rather haul your big ass 100 lb. tube amp or take a laptop with you?
It's all good and unless you're Eric Johnson, you probably won't tell the difference...
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bluebuffalo
Freddy Garza
McMinnville, OR
USA
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TheBob-- hi your right we haven't seen from you in a long while. How was your trip on the spaceship.. lol
DoTheStu- what is " IT'd " some journalist liberties? good for you
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Thu Sep 24 '09 10:38:38 am
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Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
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The average Joe won't tell the difference and i use my pod all the time for that matter... but ater using it for so long, i can hear all the niggles that it just doesnt do... they're super ahndy and i recomend them but if u can record with a proper amp do it, lots better and easier
Just recorded a fucking sweet solo there... so glad i got it done, had it goin on for weeks
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....Frank I didn`t!!!!!. Royal Canadian Nounted Police made you well man, you just can not use stuff for weak people hey they did a good job man guiding you to what your suppose to use their realy wont be apsychaitric problem ever aslong as you run regualr unleaded your about they saidalmost 3,00 000 timesx too strong for high octane fuel just alway`s run the regualr like they came from alberta and taught you man your wolfie.
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..their`s no weider`s their`s no brand new weight`s new york weight belt new bench press new 2001 gym howmany bikes did you restore 4 1 atk 1 husky 2 can-am theirs no restored rotax ski-doo theirs no vitamins theirs no vegtables theirs no poulan pro chainsaw theirs no home hardware you own for weightbelt theirs no botl`s and nut`s theirs no r and ja machine theirs no dennis kirk theirs no cycle salvagetheisr no champion spark plug theirs no husy dealer theisr no atk factory theirs no rotax parts center their`ssss no risperdal to help man later wolf2.gee all blue printed isnt that something no wonder why your to healthy now later wolfinator.
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McDave
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Blue_Moon...LMAO....I was wondering if you were going to bring that up. Now I'm no college graduate or a grammar whiz but I think there were more this time around...lol.
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Thu Sep 24 '09 3:52:25 pm
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The belt`s guaranteed for 12-14 years for the owner of bothe york and home hardware what you were going though was miniolania where the belt go threw it motions before resesteing the psychatrics of the brainbefore 17 years home hardware said you need abelt again now you are the way you go for about 14 years perfect tanner sais you can take the medicine it wont do anything to you yours later wolf2.
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axeshredderjc
Joe Axeshredder
Long Island, NY
United States
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Wow...so many posts, and names..i cant keep track...but awesome conversation so heres my 2 cents
I own JSX and Pedals and love it...
I am selling my Line6 flextone 3 xl amp....awesome tone and fx $450
I am selling my Line 6 Live XT floor pedal.$250
Though at one time i really liked the Line 6 tones, at higher volumes it all turns to crap. For recording it is excellent....especially rythym tracks but the solo punch need to be old school.
Did you know that Galen Uses this?
Windows 7 is probably another headache but ive had a perfect running Vista for about a year now ......i remember the same comment about Peavy Amps Alan....gotta give em a chance..ay?
I prefer Weed talk better than dick talk any day..lmao
Seems Joe's popularity has gone up a few levels that the old fans are coming back here ...and new ones too.......clearly makes it a job to keep track....welcome all...ancient but awesome content...most of the time
News Flash..Chad and the peppers are nominated to the hall of fame..if they make it , poor Joe will be the only non HOF members...and really..hes more deserving that the whole boat!
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