rCeUdTuHx
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michelle
Since you mentioned it, I have to weigh in on gay marriage (shocked, aren't you?)
I don't think gay marriage should be sanctioned by the state. That is because I don't believe any marriage should be sanctioned by the state.
The state sanctioning of marriage creates different/special classes of people through benefits, tax breaks (or increases, in some cases), and default contractual obligations/protections.
I have seen cited by several activists for gay marriage that it is not the pomp of the ceremony that they wish, but the state sanctioning and the resulting benefits thereof.
As a believer in free will and liberty, I believe that if you have a desire to enter into a contractually binding agreement with someone, assigning rights and or benefits, you should be able to do so without the state sitting in on what is and should be a religious ceremony.
While, as a Christian, I believe certain acts to be a sin, I also believe G_d loves everyone, and that we are all sinners. While we could debate for centuries on what ceremony G_d may or may not sanctify, if two people can find clergy to perform the ceremony why should the state have any say in the matter, regardless of the participants?
Furthermore, the state "profits" (state profits - another oxymoron for those keeping score) from many acts that are considered sinful or taboo by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism alike; why is the moral sanctity of marriage so holy to the state (note the small 's') in some cases? Is it because of the benefits that such sanctification implies, creating another form of dependency on the state? It seems that the nature of the state is to work to supplant G_d and become the faith of choice.
Removing the intrusion of the state in the marriage ceremony would be one more step toward true equality and liberty for all, even singles. I'm sure some enterprising lawyer would come up with a software package, much like those currently available for basic wills and estates, that could effectively handle most of the basics of the benefits currently offered by state approval of marriage for those who chose to enter into such arrangements.
$.02...spend it as you will.
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Tue Jun 28 '11 10:00:26 am
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michelle
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cuth, it would have been nice if we could have all drank at the same water fountains, but we couldn't until the state said we could - and even then it was hell for most. It would be lovely if gays could just find someone to marry them without the state being involved. What's the state of the state you're in? In one scenario, what do you say to the little boy who, from the time he could walk & talk, has had more female traits than male, and doesn't want anything to do with boys? Is he a sinner? Is he going to hell for being born with a brain that betrays him, or does it only betray you? Same with a girl. Being different isn't a sin. Being hateful is. America is and probably always will be slow to get with the program. Why the state must be in yer business is the way it's always been, and probably the way it's always going to be. I don't like it, but whatcha gunna do?
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Tue Jun 28 '11 12:23:53 pm
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rCeUdTuHx
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michelle
Apples & Oranges.
water fountains => state intervenes in private matters of discrimination; mutual consent of parties not present
straight marriage => state grants state-created status and benefit to select group
gay marriage denied => state withholding state-created benefit and special status
gay marriage allowed => state grants state-created status and benefit to another group, decreasing the number outside the group, but still separating people and setting liberty at an imbalance.
any state involvment in marriage => state intervenes in private affairs of mutual consent
state uninvolved in marriage => no special status, benefit, or group created.
It's a quick shot, and a bit dirty, but it hits the main points of my issue with your analogy.
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aussiefudd
Big Bad Wah-bit swayer New Lambton, NSW Australia Plays: Guitar (39 years)
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wow, haven't checked posts here for over 6 months and even longer since my last post.... I don't think I'll be reading all i've missed.... so whats changed???? Oh, hi to everyone as well...
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Wed Jun 29 '11 4:22:37 am
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rCeUdTuHx
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michelle
Stop it, I'm blushing.
Would that more in power thought more and felt less when exercising that power; we'd have far less labarynthine laws and, likely, more liberty.
DCK
I couldn't agree more; my main point is that neither they, nor anyone else, should be forced to submit to some buffoon with a state pension for the privilege of the misery.
Also, that the state shouldn't create special classes of people, no matter how wide the circle of inclusion; it flies in the face of the concept of equality.
If anyone missed me, now is your chance to take better aim ;?)
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Skippygirl
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Ozzy!!!! - Great to hear from you, I know you've been having too much fun these last 6 months hehe. Thanks for all the jokes too, they always crack me up.
So where's fatape????
Joe - hi.
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Wed Jun 29 '11 5:14:08 am
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No2ng
Roni Roni gitaris Kranji, West java Bekasi Plays: Guitar (15 years)
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hi all? and hi joe?
I would like to introduce myself earlier,I Roni from indonesia. I want to join here because I want to know more about joe satriani and also want to learn to play guitar as good as joe satriani. because I am still new in learning guitar,and I want to be able to play the guitar,or play the melody is good and right. So I asked for help and guidance to all my friends and especially to joe satriani. Once again I beg his help,and sorry if my request a little too excessive. Thanks
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Two Shay
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To be honest I haven't had much reason to aim, we had (have?) similar views on certain things though I find you a tad idealistic at times. Wouldn't want you to change though, society needs (IMO) peeps like you. Does Cuth the ranter post his thoughts elsewhere?
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Wed Jun 29 '11 5:36:24 am
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rCeUdTuHx
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idealistic?
Absolutely. People can't understand the compromises (and what is lost/gained within) without first knowing the extremes, or ideals of a position.
Shoot for the stars, have a chance at the moon.
elsewhere?
Used to have a blog long ago...thought about another, though I only ever made 6 or 7 posts on the other before taking it down...don't know if it's worth the time/effort to try again right now.
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hey how you doing? still no mail here for me their must be some elmajoro problems waiting for dissabilty card hey im gonna have to call them my money is direct deposit to the bank hey man for the first.so you have to play the blues fest in ottawa this weekend ,hey right on! blues jazz rock heavy metal you do her all. Hey listen man when i was left alone I really it,s different bro is their love in space hit! it Hit,s! man like the scorpions it,s sort of a real hi end if you qualify you can spin it and enjoy the album thing I love your music it,s all timed from a certain period ,and it,s growing up with joe the scorpions Hour 1 humaity disc hit,s athe brain very hard then you play it! tHE JOE DISC DOES IT SO SOFTLY I DIDNT VENE KNOW IT WAS GEARED UNTIL that was about the 4th time it done that you listen to the scorp`s man amazing tunes only enjoyed when they hit the login of the brain to tune in the high end is their love in space is real nice man and I can not ohnestly say I need the motion of the music hiting th e box more often the amount is fine anyways outside for smoke then home im friends with the guys in scorpions hey that they said might be the lat album and tour hey I write the music and the songs but dont tell evryone it may do something to you.You ever drink Full Thorttle by coca cola their about 3 buks a can you would need to practice flying them and it takes a few years until they trigg anyways thanks wolf2.
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