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ibanezebra
Richard Barnes
England
Plays: Guitar (20 years)
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I cant see what the big fuss is about that flag business. I'm not american, so i probably think differently than americans, but if that happened in England, no one would give a toss.

Fri Jul 8 '11 2:53:56 am Set this message as last read

Two Shay

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Don't know what part of England you are from but it must be different to me. Not so long back it made the national news when some disaffected sub-continental cousins (Asians if you like) demonstrated and burned the Union Jack (and the US flag). We may not have the pledge of allegiance but the vast majority of people in the UK are appalled by such behaviour, maybe not descending into violence but appalled nontheless.
Fri Jul 8 '11 3:27:52 am Set this message as last read

Skippygirl

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Teaser sample of a song from Chickenfoot IV or whatever it's called

Sounds great Joe!! I'll be in NYC on September 27 I hope I can buy it somewhere.

Edited Fri Jul 8 '11 3:53 am

Fri Jul 8 '11 3:51:45 am Set this message as last read

Guitarman77897
Matt S
WI
United States
Plays: Guitar (21 years)
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Being 19 doesn't feel any different than 18, except now I got a Big Bad Wah so actually it feels amazing!

Now I only need $330 for a Time Machine and Ice9. Maybe for Christmas.

Fri Jul 8 '11 6:39:29 am Set this message as last read

Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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line 6 dl4 and boss dd-20 are nice little pedals units
Fri Jul 8 '11 6:59:25 am Set this message as last read

Bigfishy1

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JOe coming back to Florida anytimne soon? , My 45th is in September and to catch you're show for my B-day would be the best present ever!, I've been to all your Orlando H.O.B shows and the last one I followed you down to West palm after just to see it again.

God BLess!

Philip

Fri Jul 8 '11 7:11:11 am Set this message as last read

Do The Stu
Austin Lewis, III
Costa Mesa, CA
United States
Plays: Bass (25 years)
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Hi everyone...

It turns out my dad can't make it down here for the Cliff Show II, so I have an extra ticket to sell. I paid about $90 ($75 plus TM/LN fees)...I know that's a lot of money, but it's for a good cause.

I was at the first Cliff Show five years ago; believe me when I say it will be well worth it...

Anyone interested? Email me...

...Austin...

Fri Jul 8 '11 7:12:38 am Set this message as last read

js black dog

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Ibanezebra- I agree its a flag really a piece of cloth!! Who care !! The idiots that go out of their way to wreck that want to piss people off !! And how long ago was this?
Fri Jul 8 '11 7:22:33 am Set this message as last read

hybes
Mark Hybers
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TwoShay - the problem is, that minority group gets all the headlines. And my biggest issue with something like that preacher trying to prove his point is that the White House called a press conference and asked him to stop. Our government would never do any such thing while someone is burning the American flag. I'm like a lot of you guys too...I just don't understand the need to stay here. If this country is SO bad that you're burning the flag, then head on home to wherever your ancestors came from. It's really just that simple. Freedom of expression is one thing...complete hatred is another.

How about the new snippet of music we got this morning!? Pretty excited to hear some more. Has anyone heard when the first song is going to be released? I know it's sometime in July...just didn't know if there had been a specific date yet.

Fri Jul 8 '11 7:56:40 am Set this message as last read

Guitarman77897
Matt S
WI
United States
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When does the Chickenfoot single come out? I heard its in July but I didn't see a date.
Fri Jul 8 '11 7:57:22 am Set this message as last read

ibanezebra
Richard Barnes
England
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But hybes, can you not use your freedom of expression to express your complete hatred? Although, i cant see why you would live in a country if you hate it so much that you want to burn the flag.

Black dog: Hi five for anarchism! lol..

Fri Jul 8 '11 8:24:23 am Set this message as last read

Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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In-n-out

For California U.S.A haters possibly...
Fri Jul 8 '11 9:09:48 am Set this message as last read

Two Shay

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Never mind anarchism, there's a wave of apathy sweeping across the nation!
Fri Jul 8 '11 9:13:45 am Set this message as last read

Two Shay

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Quote of the week 'sweep picking's for cissies' Al De Meola - Total Guitar.
Fri Jul 8 '11 9:32:32 am Set this message as last read

michelle

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Hybes, I agree with your posts 100%.
Fri Jul 8 '11 9:32:57 am Set this message as last read

BigBunny

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Zinc - i heard she's being let out monday, someone on another forum said on July 17th. and as you said she will be taken somewhere unknown.

no justice for Caylee in this world :/

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for everyone talking about flag burning. i think if you burn the flag of the country you live in then you should just leave. there's a sticker here in Oz that you can buy which has the map of Australia on it and in the middle it says 'Love it or fuck off!' >=:)

Fri Jul 8 '11 11:54:05 am Set this message as last read

rCeUdTuHx

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Treason



Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

While an argument might be made for flag burning being "aid and comfort", I think any prosecutor who tried might have the judge channeling Inigo Montoya. Also, death, or even a minimum 5 years/$10,000 seems a bit harsh; YMMV

Should it be illegal? I say no.

Though I find such activity to be despicible, the flag is -- while highly revered -- merely an icon. It represents the government, the country, both, or something else altogether, depending upon who you are.

It is not, however, a person. It is also not (unless stolen) the private property of another.

Its destruction, therefore, violates no one's rights.

Rights of any kind, by the way, do not owe their existence to any form of thuggery; they were long before any government came into being, and will continue even after they have been outlawed.

Whether you believe in creation or natural law, the concept of rights demand that they exist regardless of the powers that be or the absence of the same. Anything less renders them mere privileges.

But I digress...as I often do.

As I was saying, no harm is done to anyone's rights when a flag is burned. Some people get upset...very upset....and I'm not saying they shouldn't.

However, if flag desecration were made illegal, on what justification would it be so?

It is the offensiveness of the act, which is a representation of thought (i.e. form of speech), that triggers the emotion and lights the desire to see someone punished.

If flag desecration is made illegal in and of itself then a thoughtcrime has been created.

When such laws are made, society tells the actor "You have not harmed anyone, nor have you harmed anyone's property, and therefore have not violated any rights. You have violated sensibilities, you are a criminal because of your thoughts as expressed through your actions."

Who decides what is venerable enough for legal protection against such thought crime?

The federal government only?

Maybe the states?

Maybe Alabama could pass a law against desecration of the Stars and Bars.

Maybe, instead, the waving of certain flags could be outlawed; I'm sure there are some locales that would love to eliminate the same Confederate battle flag, or maybe rainbows, or Lord knows what else that a large enough group (laws don't take a majority, just enough pressure on and fear in the legislature) could push for and win.

Thankfully, while flag burning bills and even Constitutional Amendments have, from time to time, been proposed at various levels, in most cases the governing bodies have, as a general rule, recognized the slippery slope below.

Big Brother help us when they lose sight of that; you can rest assured he will.

Edited Fri Jul 8 '11 12:46 pm

Fri Jul 8 '11 12:34:23 pm Set this message as last read

michelle

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'Love it or fuck off!'

I like that!

There are sooo many places on earth less desirable than the U.S.A. If you don't like it here enough to piss on our flag, it's time to GTFO! I bet a huge percentage of the people pissing on the American flag would find the exact same bullshit to whine about wherever else they go too. It's how they're wired.

Love it or fuck off! That's a good saying for life in general :-)

Don't be an angry trout.

The Flag

Fri Jul 8 '11 1:23:14 pm Set this message as last read

js black dog

Plays: Guitar (2024 years)
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I seen that js1000 on ebay i think the bid is at $3500.00 + usd the thing i dont get is the seller has 97.5% rating ya would think it would be an auction house or something with 100% rating!! Any one know if it might be a scam??
Fri Jul 8 '11 1:25:22 pm Set this message as last read

Blue_Moon
Alan McKenna
Dublin
Ireland
Plays: Guitar (23 years)
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Probably best not to take a whiz on anyone's flag

And I'm sure the seller is ok, checkout some of the other auctions that are listen, it's all gravy I' sure

Aww yeaaaaaaaa
Fri Jul 8 '11 1:57:10 pm Set this message as last read

js black dog

Plays: Guitar (2024 years)
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Ya i guess their also selling steve vai and paul gilbert's guitar amongst a shit wack of pedals and stuff!!
Fri Jul 8 '11 2:38:28 pm Set this message as last read

TheHawkGuy
Danny
California
USA
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Michelle favorite music of the day is.. Metallica "Master of puppet"
Fri Jul 8 '11 2:59:22 pm Set this message as last read

michelle

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Actually, it's more like THIS!

:-)

Fri Jul 8 '11 4:15:33 pm Set this message as last read

BigBunny

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michelle - there were some teenagers burning the aussie flag a few years ago, pisses me orff! you don't have to like or agree with your government but the flag of a country represents the people of that country.

i'm an aussie and we lost another digger in afghanistan 2 days ago. he was one of the best, a west aussie. i see the photos of these fine men on the front of the newspaper and i know they are fighting for me, for the country i live in. so if someone is going to burn or desecrate the flag that he wears on his arm i want them shipped out... make a special ark for them and they can live on it \m/

Sat Jul 9 '11 2:28:27 am Set this message as last read

slanshroom
roy marchbank
Scotland, Barcelona
Spain
Plays: Guitar (51 years)
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So many people back home in the UK complaining about immigrants....guess thats what they get for colonizing and raping countrys that werent theirs then eh...feckin monarchy, 400 years of tyranny and corruption, its all their doing, same shit different year

Sat Jul 9 '11 3:01:00 am Set this message as last read
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