Dave, we're going to have to agree to disagree, especially ~

" there is nothing more powerful about that gun than the others"

Really?? So that makes it better or okay how?

" the highest crime rates are where the guns have been taken from the people. if the people of this country want to dis-arm the public, they can make a constitutional amendment and do it the right way. i doubt if that will happen in my lifetime. it is more likely that the government will try to 'protect us from ourselves' "

Have you met the public? Who are the people taking their guns? Name names and agencies. The people taking guns are the very same people that also take your tv, jewelry, electronics, and illusion of being safe because you own a gun. There is NO NEED for a public citizen to own a semi-automatic weapon. NONE. If you can't defend yourself and your family with a pistol or hunting rifle, then that's just to bad.

I don't want to take your guns! I want you to be mentally stable and trained to use it. I want you to have to fill out 22 gaddamn pages of information and have a double and even triple background check to be able to own one. I want every gun owner to have gun safes and gun locks.

I wanna live in a world where fucktards can't use semi-automatic weapons because they're to much of a coward to deal with LIFE and the blows that come with it!

The Constitution was NOT written for the year 2012!

If that were the case, then the crazy motherf**ker who shot unsuspecting unarmed men, women, and children in a dark movie theater was in the right. I mean, he felt threatened by something (LIFE), and he felt he had the right to defend himself , right? That's the meaning of it all, right? No matter what the mental status of the gun owner, they have the right to own the highest caliber weapon available. It's the AMERICAN WAY!

And btw, I didn't write the article, but I strongly agree with it.

So, just what is the "right way" to make a constitutional amendment?

Agree to disagree. No disrespect. I'd just really like to understand the reason to defend this insanity. Is it the lies and deception through the NRA, or peoples OWN thoughts on this subject that get things so skewed?

I truly believe this particular madman was out to make a "name" for himself & had he not had access to the weapons in his possession..he would have found another means of mass destruction as evidenced by his booby trapped and bomb filled apartment.

I feel those with evil intent will always find a way even if we take one way away they will find another......

I would love to think that in the absence of guns that there would be an absence of senseless violence against the innocent but I cannot conjure that amount of faith........

This is not a statement in favor of guns just a statement about the reality of evil & hatred & delusional madmen that exist in this world. very very sad. I wish there was an easy fix.

I see none.

its ok if we disagree Michelle.i didn't see the author's name at the bottom the first time i read it so i thought they were your words.

the founders wrote the Constitution a long time ago and they did it right. they knew there would be things that needed changed over time. but they didn't want a small majority like 50.001% to dictate to the other 49.999%. that is why it is so hard to amend the Constitution. it should be hard. it takes 3/4 of the states to pass an amendment. you can be sure that if an amendment is passed, then it was the will of the people.

'there is NO NEED for a public citizen to own a semi-automatic weapon. NONE. If you can't defend yourself and your family with a pistol or hunting rifle, then that's just to bad.'

the right to bear arms is not just to protect your family, it is to defend the nation. that was the will of the founders. if you want to change that, you have to convince 75% of the people. otherwise you have to live with it or move elsewhere. i live in the people's republic of california and we have some strict gun control here but i was born here and i like the climate so i put up with the curtailment of my rights.

'I want you to have to fill out 22 gaddamn pages of information and have a double and even triple background check to be able to own one. I want every gun owner to have gun safes and gun locks. '

if we had to do what you want, it would violate the Constitution. there can be no infringement on the right to bear arms. in many places there is a total ban. it isn't right. i sometimes wish they would make people take a test and fill out papers before they vote. or give the lawmakers a drug test before they vote. hell, how about they just ask for ID to make sure who you are. but its not going to happen. so i live with it.

i really don't know what to say about the "the lies of the NRA' . that organization has been around a long time and they are all about defending the rights of regular people. just imagine that instead of the second amendment that was being attacked, it was the first amendment. you wouldn't stand for it. you would fight back. imagine a background check before you could post back to this forum, or a fee every time you wrote your newspaper. the NRA reports to its members what our elected representatives are voting on and how it affects our rights.

Not my place to comment on another country's politics. All I can say is thank God our country came about a different way and we have no such provision in our constitution to stop our Prime Minister legislating guns out of our community many years ago. It was a major step in our nation's safety, best thing that ever happened. Apparently we have only around 0.14 deaths by gun per 100,000 population., depending on the data source. That's about as good as it gets I reckon. The USA seems to have a huge dilemma with its Constitution, I sincerely hope the people of the US can get to some sort of win-win somehow.

Thanks for the 2012 tour Joe!!

Dave, yep, agree to disagree. Votes here in America are bought and paid for by corporations and entities like the NRA. Money equals power. Everyone is aware of that fact, and it happens no matter what side of the fence you're on.

The thing that bothers me is that a person can buy 3000 rounds of ammo online, and no red flag. You can pretty much buy whatever you want, from one source or another, and go undetected, no questions asked. You can build yourself an arsenal. You can buy Kevlar protection head to toe. No questions. Helmet. Gas mask. No questions. Bomb making material. No problem. After all, it's your right as an American.

How many stories have you or anyone you know read where a citizen had to use a semi-automatic rifle to protect themselves from a home intruder or a mugger on the street? How many bullets does it take to drop a dear or whatever animal you're hunting for food? One, maybe two. They can be dropped by a sharp stick with a point on it! No need for automatics there.

I believe people are more in love with their entitlement than with what's right or better for society as a whole. As long as it's somebody else getting slaughtered, it's not your problem.

Keep those guns ready for that imagined Armageddon they keep filling people's heads with. When the day comes where you have to be in a MILITIA to live and survive in America, I'm the hell outta here.

People need to feel powerful by owning and shooting semi-automatics. Just like driving big trucks or fancy cars or designer clothes. It's ego. Entitlement. Fear. It's a sad state of mind IMO.

Isn't there some sort of middle ground between balls out owning an arsenal, and banning all guns? Gun lovers see it as such a threat. As such a crushing blow to an outdated document. Funny how when people follow the bible to the T, we call them freaks and say that book isn't with the times and needs to be updated - and that supposedly came from GOD! So a document written in 1700's by a bunch of guys in pantaloons and wigs is supposed to be solid gold and still fit into today's standards??

' a document written in 1700's by a bunch of guys in pantaloons and wigs is supposed to be solid gold and still fit into today's standards??'

Michelle, the constitution is up to date. it has been amended 27 times, the most recently in 1992. the second amendment is not about the right to sporting arms, it is about the right of military arms. the supreme court has decided that the second amendment applies to military style weapons and it is an individual right. the only way to change it is by amendment. those guys in pantaloons were the founding fathers and they were a pretty smart bunch of guys. not perfect, but that is why they made a way to update the document as needed.

'Votes here in America are bought and paid for by corporations and entities like the NRA.' agreed, just include Big Hollywood, left wing media, and the unions.

'How many stories have you or anyone you know read where a citizen had to use a semi-automatic rifle to protect themselves from a home intruder or a mugger on the street? How many bullets does it take to drop a dear or whatever animal you're hunting for food? One, maybe two. They can be dropped by a sharp stick with a point on it! No need for automatics there.'

there have been lots of incidences of self defense with firearms. probably many more with handguns than long guns. there are legitimate uses of all these guns.

'I believe people are more in love with their entitlement than with what's right or better for society as a whole. As long as it's somebody else getting slaughtered, it's not your problem. '

i think you could substitute the word 'taxed' for slaughtered to make that a correct statement.

Dave, you're a champ. We agree to disagree. It's not the right to own a gun that bothers me, it's more a semi-automatic issue. They're just not necessary in today's civilian society. You won't change my mind, and I won't change yours, but thanks for having a decent discussion about it with me. I'm gonna read the Constitution and check out the NRA right after I send Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh love letters. LOL!

Anyways, it's time to end it. I totally disagree with you, but you're a cool guy anyways...even though you're wrong. LMAO!!

Sorry - that was the last one!

Have a good night ;-)

Hi Joe,

And greetings from Denmarks , without a doubt, biggest fan ;-)

At a little gig in Germany yesterday...

Very nice, Joseph! Very nice!

ROO

Joe