I wouldn't go so far as to call suicide selfish. It's not like these people are in their right mind at the time. Trust me, I've been there more than once; just haven't pulled the trigger. I struggle with really bad depression and PTSD from the war every single day, and like I said, many times I have been to the point that I thought the best thing for me was to kill myself. Not because one particular thing set me off. Not because my life sucks or any such thing like that; but because I live with demons in my head, nightmares in my sleep, obsessive habits that I can't shake, yada, yada, yada. The one thing that's kept me hanging on is the thought of not wanting to put my wife through another suicide (her dad died that way). Do I have life insurance? No. Do I consider the $20,000 in debt that I've accumulated this year or any other burden it would place upon her? No. I don't think that makes me "selfish". But, like I said, I'm in a different world at that point. All I can think about is why I should die and then I weigh my options. Fortunately, so far I've managed to talk myself out of it every time.

I don't think anybody truly WANTS to kill themselves, there just happens to be a chemical imbalance in their brain or other contributing factors that lead them to believe that suicide is the only out and that's when you forget about leaving your family behind and all the bad stuff that they are stuck with.

I'm not trying to say that suicide is right by any means, i'm just saying that it definitely isn't selfish when you look into it a little deeper and try to understand it from that persons perspective.

Sorry for the rant.....

TurboIan, it's not right by any means. I agree. It's a bad decision made in a split second. You have to have a mantra or something for those times. Something that keeps you HERE. I know it gets rough, but I hope your memories fade, you get the help you need, and you and your wife grow old together. I'm so sorry you thousands of others had to - and still have to- go through that.

Jamie, I understand your anger. Fair enough.

Hellfredo, that was nice, thanks.

T-Bones, hugs.

Ally, congrats for your fancy achievement and certification. You're cramtastic in a pinch!

McD, thanks.

castle, he's kind of in denial. It seemed that he understood the clear message the doctor gave us yesterday, but then later in the day when I saw him again and we talked, he didn't want to discuss the issues that we're coming up on. He also keeps putting things off for "later". He's over tired, not eating right, under stress, and scared. My niece took dinner to him at the hospital tonight. We all have to keep an eye on him. Thanks for asking.

hi castle49, i know what your going thru with the dementia, with your dad, my mum had it , very tough , the best bit, not that its a good thing , is that they dont know they have it, like my mum would always say when in hospital, take me home im fine, but she wasnt , but she didnt know anybetter..

thanks cheese, i hope so too, i have been playing my guitar again too

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Hey, so everyone knows Joseph kony right?

Man, kidnapping 30,000 children? Holy crap! He needs to be stopped.

Roo supports the effort to expose him, find him and bring him to justice!
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castle, so sorry to hear that about your dad

Ya gotta see the good through the bad sometimes.