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Clarky
Paul Clark
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r6r - I did two pretty large theory posts within a few days... I thought that I'd hold back for a little while to give folks a chance to absorb the information... also, if I do too many of those huge posts back to back it kind of hogs TTJ - great for the posse but pretty unfair for the other folks in here....
death cube - the only person that does not notice you growing is you.... only on very rare occasions have I suddenly found a new burst of speed, accuracy, technique etc.... your improvement is a gradual process... can you honestly look back to when you was a kid and say the you noticed that you was gradually getting taller... you are [like all of us] too familiar with your own style and ability.... this is why other players always blow you away but they come to you and tell you how amazing you are..... it's a perspective thing... the 'grass being greener' .... etc....
wow... I've had two birthdays in a week... and gone from twentyseventeen to toooo hundrid...... something is not right here... lol
Thu Oct 17 '02 10:04:36 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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Iambic - "Try to remember it's not how good you are compaired to others, but how you personally progress"... this is very true and I'd add that the true fealing of success comes out of how much you enjoy playing... loving it is most important of all...


andre - phryg dom - wow... very stern stuff.... maybe this thing would be better handled in private.... airing dirty laundry in public... it looks to me like you both have serious issues... I'm sure that if you both really want too that they can all be put right.... I hope you can repair the damage... but not in public.. it does neither of you any good...

dont flame me for interfering... I truely have the best interests of both of you at heart...


Maire - dont blame youself for anything... you are a real gem... you are also well loved and deservedly so... especially if you can get me back stage passes to Yvettes place... schwing...

amazing .... so much angst.... and I didn't see VBIL or Avarice post once.......

Fri Oct 18 '02 4:44:09 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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Theory Posse – it looks as though I missed the little fake triangle [^] for the major 7 chords after the last post…and I wrote G7 add 9 instead of G add 9 [because G7 add 9 and G9 are the same chord Clarky you dope..!!… doh!!] so here is the correct list of chords [how I should have posted them] and the answers…..

G^7 add 13, A^9, F^11, Em9, Am7 add 11, Dm add 9, Am11, G add 9, C11, A7 add 13

G^7 add 13 – from the key of G major – G, B, D, F#, E

A^9 – from the key of A major – A, C#, E, G, B

F^11 from the key of F – F, A, C, E, G, Bb

Em9 – from the key of Em – E, G, B, D, F#

Am7 add 11 – from the key of Am – A, C, E, G, D

Dm add 9 – from the key of Dm – D, F, A, E

Am11 – from the key of Am – A, C, E, G, B, D

G add 9 – from the key of C major – G, B, D, A

C11 – from the key of F major – C, E, G, Bb, D, F

A7 add 13 – from the key of D major – D, F#, A, C, B

Fri Oct 18 '02 8:49:56 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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ovation - exactly bro ... exactly... 'dirty washing in public'...

On the EOC tour, I chatted with Eric for quite some time back-stage in Ghent, Belgium ['cos we're both lefties and had common guitar ground to bitch about... lol]... I found him very pleasent, bright, interesting to talk to and a really nice guy...

I respect him greatly as a musician and a person...

Somehow that orange post and my recollections of Eric don't match very... that post and Eric don't seem to be the same person - unless of course he is very seriously upset.... [in which case... having a pissing contest with the fans is pretty unprofessional]

anyways... none of my bizniz anyhow....


dyer - having all of these scales and modes and all of the formal information helps to standardise stuff... this means that musicians can communicate with each other accurately.. and therefore learn / trade ideas.... theory is important and very very handy to have clear in your mind...
Sharon - lol... lol .... I accept your cover story so that you can back down from your passes and advances in a graceful fashion... and your integrity will remain completely intact good lady..lol... lol

Choco - congrats on the Sharonth 100... [I'm easily confused]


crippler - how does the arm tighten... there are two versions [I think]
Fri Oct 18 '02 9:25:23 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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r6r - yeah the G7 add 9 confused me too..... lol no apple for teacher.. 'cos he thinks it's a pear... doh!!!... lol

Talking to Stone... simple.. not flash but it still makes me shiver... I think because it is 'where' it was writen from inside... it makes me sad but very proud to have writen it...

Xm7 is always calculated from the key of Xm....
X^7 [and beyond] comes from X major
Xm7 [and beyond] comes from Xm
X7 [and beyond] comes from what ever major key that X is the 5th of.

Remember that this is only for working out the notes that make the chord... this does not mean that Xm7 does not exist in other keys...

dont forget that Am7 not only appears in Am, C major but also Em, G major.... and many others too...


Fri Oct 18 '02 9:35:41 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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r6r - think of it as banging... lol the banging together of two bodies... lol... so if I'm lucky, I'll get to do some percussion later...

so this being the case... does everyone go to the bar during a drum solo to give him some privacy???

Fri Oct 18 '02 9:39:05 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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M - I've never yet encountered a problem where a solution cannot be found..... so we can work on this one....

appart from that is Grand Unification Theory... but I'm sure there's a solution for that too...me Steve H and the boys at CERN just have not found it yet.....


Sharon - I've been accused of many things... mostly all dispicable and therefore mostly all true....

you are the first to accuse me of being a Gent....

Fri Oct 18 '02 9:59:26 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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crippler - try to undo it with pliers but put some cloth between the jaws to ensure that you dont scratch the metal [if you havn't done that already. You may have to take the bridge off and grip it in a vice... if you still can't get it sorted take it to a luthier....

As for cases.. I use very nice gig bags, only cases when the guitar flies in cargo - US trips...


Dyer - the theory is worth the effort in the long run.... stick with it..
Sat Oct 19 '02 9:42:13 am Set this message as last read

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Ga6o - the very best of luck to you bro
Sun Oct 20 '02 5:01:51 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
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Theory posse – ok folks… the part that many of you have been waiting for…. Modes..
modes are scales just like any other, therefore they simply provide a template of intervals carving up an octave.. nothing more, nothing less… think back to how the natural minor and how it was calculated from its relative major scale to generate a new scale [based upon a new series of intervals]… so modes are calculated in exactly the same way but with one small difference.. they each use a different starting note from its relative major [which I’ll call the centre key].
So, if there are seven notes in a diatonic major scale, then there can be only seven diatonic modes…
The main point to note is that the major scale is used only calculate the modes… the similarity ends there as each mode is a scale in its own right…
The scale of G major is composed of the following [familiar by now] series of intervals:
Tonic, major 2nd, major 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, major 6th, major 7th.
The major scale also has a name in modal terms…. Ionian… therefore G major = G Ionian.
I you look from the 2nd degree of the major scale, rename it from being the 2nd of the major scale to the tonic of a new scale you’ll see a completely new series of intervals emerge. We’ll do this using G major…

Starting from the 2nd we get the following series of note values… A, B, C, D, E, F#, G, the Dorian mode…. and calculating the intervals with respect to this new tonic [in this case ‘A’] you get:
tonic, major 2nd, minor 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, major 6th, minor 7th. [which is essentially a minor scale with a major 6th]…. So this example is A Dorian

All of the chords that we calculated from the centre key [in this case G major] still apply but they are rotated in the same way as the notes themselves… we get I = Am, II = Bm, III = C, IV = D, V = Em, VI = F#mb5, VII = G

Note that A Dorian is like being in a ‘key’ in its own right… the progression I, IV, V would be Am, D, Em…. and when creating melodies it has a minor tonality but the major 6th makes it sound less ‘dark’ than a natural minor [with its minor 6th]… also… although the mode is calculated from G major… you are never in the key of G because you are in A Dorian…

When you are in the key of G major and the Am chord is sounding, you are still in G major – not in A dorian.
When you are in A Dorian and the G chord is sounding, you are still in A Dorian – not in G Ionian.

What we’ve just seen applies to all modes…. They are calculated from a parent major scale – the centre key – they adopt all of the available chords from the centre key – they have a new series of intervals – they are essentially keys in their own right…… and of course the G-everywhere thing provides the fingerings for all modes derived from G major all over the neck…

So let’s go through the seven of them…. Using G major as the Centre key…
G Ionian [which is G major G, A, B, C, D, E, F# - 1-2-3-4-5-6-7]
A Dorian [minor with a major 6th A, B, C, D, E, F#, G – 1-2-b3-4-5-6-b7]
B Phrygian [minor with a minor 2nd B, C, D, E, F#, G, A – 1-b2-b3-4-5-b6-b7]
C Lydian [major with an augmented 4th C, D, E, F#, G, A, B – 1-2-3-#4-5-6-7]
D Mixolydian [major with a minor 7th D, E, F#, G, A, B, C – 1-2-3-4-5-6-b7]
E Aeolian [which is the relative / natural minor E, F#, G, A, B, C, D – 1-2-b3-4-5-b6-b7] spoken ‘oolian’ according to a Greek guy I know…
F# Locrian [minor with a minor 2nd and diminished 5th F#, G, A, B, C, D, E – 1-b2-b3-4-b5-b6-b7]

Sun Oct 20 '02 5:04:09 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
Paul Clark
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Theory posse - also, what helps to see the modes for what they are is to calculate them based around the same tonic… I’ll use G.
G Ionian is from the Tonic of a major scale [in this case G major G, A, B, C, D, E, F#]
G Dorian is from the 2nd of a major scale [in this case F major F, G, A, Bb, C, D, E]
G Phrygian is from the 3rd of a major scale [in this case Eb Major Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C, D]
G Lydian is from the 4th of a major scale [in this case D major D, E, F#, G, A, B, C#]
G Mixolydian is from the 5th of a major scale [in this case C major C, D, E, F, G, A, B]
G Aeolian is from the 6th of a major scale [in this case Bb major Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G, A]
G Locrian is from the 7th of a major scale [in this case Ab major Ab, Bb, C, Db, Eb, F, G]

The very cool part is; if you know the mode and the tonic, you can work out the centre from which it was derived… you then shift the G-everywhere thing accordingly – e.g. centre key of A major means the whole thing moves 2 frets up the neck – you can now play in any major, natural minor and diatonic mode in any key from the nut to the top fret…. Now ain’t that something……. And all from learning a little math and 7 fingerings…… not too much pain for such a huge gain…

So here’s a lil’ math thing. Try working out the notes and the centre keys for all of the modes where the tonics are:
C, then E, then A… [that’s 21 different scales]

Sun Oct 20 '02 5:04:51 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
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mr nick -it is tapping but with 3 fingers and an open string... but quickly...
ovation - what do you / phryg dom want to know about my set-up????
choco - I would show you but I'd end up back in the institution...lol
Mon Oct 21 '02 9:46:22 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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mr nick - it's actually a lot simpler than you think... one finger on the pick hand, two on the neck hand and an open string.... I'm not entirely sure how to describe it in a post... I could show you in minutes... if we get to jam together I'll show you... no probz
Mon Oct 21 '02 10:52:10 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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Ovation / Phryg Dom - all of the stuff on my IUMA site was recorded the same way....

minidiskman-->zoom 9002 PRO--> minidiskman

the backing track are of two types

1/ from guitar magz / books etc...

2/ made myself....
programmed on Cubase 3.0 [Atari] which plays my keyboard modules and sampler
played back onto minidiskman
use the setup above to add all guitars.

very crude indeed....

these days I use Cubase VST32 but only as a sequencer
record onto Yamaha 4-track MD porta-studio

not as crude as before [because I can at least drop-in] but I still have to do a crazy amount of 'bouncing'...

I like the recording at this level to be pretty crude so I dont get distracted with all the production stuff.... I'm most concerned at this level with the writing

I use nice pro studios to get the production down and I'll train my playing to peak technique wise for the studio sessions.

In the future I'll upgrade my home recording to an 8-track hard-disk porta-studio to reduce the amount of time lost with the bounces.... still a basic system though....

I'm not a big fan of recording onto a PC... reliability issues, not robust enough hardware and not very portable... [which is why I'm a fan of 'purpose built' kit...]

If you want more detail shout....

Mon Oct 21 '02 1:59:05 pm Set this message as last read

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Crippler - San Francisco [California] is in a big bay... if I'm correct in my understanding [correct me if I'm mistaken guys] but the Bay Area is SF and the surrounding cities / towns that are located around the Bay [like Concorde].... like in the UK where we have areas like the 'home counties', Tyne Side, Strath Clyde, the 'West Country' etc... large 'known' areas but not explicit counties/ districts....

Cali folks... have I got this right.......

Mon Oct 21 '02 2:07:19 pm Set this message as last read

Clarky
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mr nick - without going back and learning / transcribing the entire section, it was based upon this basic patern [on the B-string]

12[tap]-0-5-7-12[tap]-7-5-0

if you want it completely tab'd out it'll take a while... [it's a matter of time more than anything - 'cos I'm desperately trying to get my album written and each track takes a few months to write


Tue Oct 22 '02 1:37:31 am Set this message as last read

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tapper5 - " if G,ionian is from the tonic Gmaj. GABCDEF# Why dosent the following appear like this? G-DORIAN - START ON THE A, 2ND NOTE? G-PHRYGIAN - START ON THE B , 3RD NOTE? G-LYDIAN - START ON THE C , 4TH NOTE? G-MIXOLYDIAN - START ON THE D , 5TH NOTE? G-AEOLIAN - START ON THE E ,6TH NOTE? G-LOCRIAN - START ON THE F#, 7TH NOTE?"

this is all correct... what I'l trying to get across is not 'start playing' it is 'start calculating the notes' using the notes from G major

One of the most difficult parts about modes is not actually working them out... that is very simple [e.g. Aeolian is the 6th mode... using a centre key of C you get A Aeolian A, B, C, E, E, F, G].... the tricky part is that:

1/ you are no longer in the same key as the centre key - the keys of G major and E minor share the same notes but the similarity ends there ... exactly the same applies to modes.. - [play a 'I - IV' progression in each key / mode over and over... record it and solo over it and listen carefully...].. better still... do this for each mode but keep the tonic the same - E major... Eminor... E Mixolydian etc... the result should stare you in the face..

2/ if you are soloing over a chorgression you are not playing modally.... I - IV - V in G = G - C - D... when you are soloing you are not playing G Ionian - C Lydian - D Mixolydian [this is guitar-mag junk theory]... you are playing in the key of G major throughout....

3/ the only time you should describe how to solo in terms of using different keys, scale types and mode types is when the chord progression does not completely belong to a single key [especially with jazz because often, each chord comes from a different key or uses very different scale types - this gets complex.. I'll describe this stuff later]..

When working out the centre key of a mode, note what the mode type is... eg.. Phrygian [which determines the degree of the major scale that generated that mode]... and what the tonic is eg 'E'... you can then find the centre key..
Phrygian is derived from the 3rd degree of a major scale - so count back a major 3rd interval from the tonic of the mode to find the tonic of the centre key... E is the major 3rd of C therefore C major is the centre key for E Phrygian - D is the centre key for F# Phrygian.... it's a math thing....

did this answer your question or did I go off on the wrong tack??


Tue Oct 22 '02 2:24:52 am Set this message as last read

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phryg dom / ovation - I like simple... for home use, the only thing I'm interested in is the mechanical transfer of my ideas onto 'tape'... the quicker and easier it is then the better... I'm most interested in the composition and orchestration... so I leave all the fancy recording to the pro's... there is no way that you'll get a home setup to sound like a $300,000 plus studio... so don't try... write and record at home to 'sketch it out'... without paying massive amounts of attention to the quality of the recording or the performance - so I get it sounding 'pretty ok'.... which is serves its purpose...
Tue Oct 22 '02 9:36:48 am Set this message as last read

Clarky
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local person - get a loaf is right... simultaneously striking the rim and the skin is a rim-shot... a very loud and distinctive sound....

striking a drum twice where the two beats are very close together is called a flam...

using the stick held in reverse where the tip lays on the skin and the back of the stick hits the rim [as in ballads, jazz and reggae] is called side sticking.... however, you'll see it in many keyboard, sequencer and sampler drum maps as 'rim' [but not rim-shot]... so I guess that this is where the confusion could come from...

also... whilst talking drums [which I love - 'cos I was a drummer before becoming a guitarist]... that 'huge' kit that someone posted earlier [can't recall who right now ... doh!!] is Portnoy's from DT... and is not one huge kit but two good sized kits that share the inner kick drum [so they are both 'double-kick']... the two kits consist of different drum sizes so they are tuned very differently - one is quite high pitched and pretty funky - the other is the deeper 'big rock' tone.... I've seen him play this live... and he plays most of the DT set on one and played Rush covers on the 'higher' one... either way... very cool kit[s]....

Tue Oct 22 '02 12:10:28 pm Set this message as last read

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XCPX - Images and Words is my fave... the track Pull Me Under is great... the solo is jaw dropping... I learned to play it and it took ages to work out.... very very tricky solo but beautifully writen...

the name of the CD that followed escapes me right now but it's also very good... Erotomania on that one... and again here's a track that tacks quite a while to learn and is a real handfull from start to finish.......

but when it comes to prog..... you just cant beat Yessongs [Yes 1972/73 live].... awesome songwriting, awesome performance and for me, all of the greatest aspects of prog rock....

Tue Oct 22 '02 12:20:06 pm Set this message as last read

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Avarice - bro.... does this mean you're back... this place has been too quiet without you in it.... lol
Tue Oct 22 '02 2:52:39 pm Set this message as last read

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tapper - based upon our e-mail exchanges I could see that you was so very close to getting this... now that you have you'll note that the 'math' is really not such a big deal... the big deal is the act of creation that all of this stuff makes available.

Knowing more than you can play is not such a strange thing...
work from the 'top' down...
train the mind - learn what is available and how it works so you can explore the options by putting pen to paper... this gets you thinking and understanding...
train the hands - go find this stuff on the neck... explore the options and listen to the results... this is where all that you understand becomes applied...
exploit with the soul - you know how and why things work... you can find it on the neck... it is now time to turn all of this over to your imagination and creative element... this is where studying the theories and studying the neck pay you back... your creative paint box now contains all kind of new textures and colours.......

time to enjoy....lol


JBlaze - lol... lol... throw down the gauntlet... lol

All your sheep are bah bah bah to us... lol


Karthak - If I had a time machine, one of the times I'd go to would be 73 and to the gig where Howe cut Yours Is No Disgrace on Yessongs.... not a shred in sight but it's a real handful to play and in my opinion one of the finest solos every recorded - which is quite an opinion when coming from a mindless shredder such as I...lol Seriously though... the solo grows... it's compositional using and reworking many themes... and improvised... a masterpiece..
michelle - tip #3: women want equality... but where they are a little more equal than everyone else...lol
JSC - I train with weights 3-4 times a week... beyond my hands/forearms sometimes getting tired I've never really had a problem - beyond the odd occasion where dipstick here thinks he's superman and does a set too many with too many kilos... but that hurts all over... lol
ha ha ha ..... Avarice is back and proud....... lol lol
Wed Oct 23 '02 2:15:20 pm Set this message as last read

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Matt- in one sense congrats bro... in another sense - another one bites the dust..... lol


for adun - lol.... and they're under starters orders... lol
ovation - Grand Master Clarky... lol now that has a ring to it....lol ... an 8th dan shredder....lol
r6r - I've not got the Moraz album.. I did like what he did on relayer though... awesome.. so this sounds interesting to me... I've heard it mentioned more than once the Crimson are often acredited to being the 'godfathers' of prog... of course this is subjective.. my view is that they were there among the first.. and what a creative time it was...

Peter Hamill was a guest on the last David Cross album so I got to meet him in the studio... very talented guy...

I don't know about the white bycicle thing... no idea...


choco - my wife has a very subborn but lovable male...
avarice - lol... squid shaped body... lol


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Thu Oct 24 '02 9:48:07 am Set this message as last read

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Avarice - the only prob is that Ibanez would build a Clarky RG-Squid 11 neck to my specs... and then only mass produce this signature model as a right hander...I would not be able to buy a prodction model of my own sig Ibanez....... so the 'L' designation on my RG470BKL obviously means Lepper.. and the Bk designation means I'm screwed even further.... outcast that I am..I demand satisfaction...!!!!!!!!!!!...ROFLMFAO

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Thu Oct 24 '02 9:51:42 am Set this message as last read

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ovation san - last night I picked up the RG7470... wax on.... wax off.... wax on.... wax off...lol lol.... the only thing that was missing was the cherry blossom tree......


r6r - personally I prefer Yes to KC.. just more my sort of thing... but then tracks like Starless are just classics....

the lastest on me cusom is that the neck is being rebuilt... this has been a pretty painful experience... I hope it proves to be worth while


phryg dom - I spent some time studying Gambales technique... very interesting and I found some pretty usful ideas in there but it does have limitations... if you combine it with other more conventional stuff like alternate picking etc then you do end up with quite an arsenal at your disposal... my take is get the basics down first... this other stuff would then be icing on the cake..
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