Joe You going to see The Matrix Reloaded tonight?

punkdude 75 - apart from Revolutions of course.

elpp- just wondering - why don't you ever intend to see any of the Matrix movies? You sound like you have a grudge against it, I'm interested why.

I can understand people who tend to not give something that's popular/mainstreams a chance, but in some cases mainstream things are up there as the best. Simpsons for example, originally I thought it would just be a load of nonsense, but after a couple of episodes I was hooked cause it is very good. In a similar way, the Matrix is an excellent film. So if it's due to it's popularity, I'd just say you'd be missing out if you don't give it a chance.

elpp - leslie neilsen is the coolest! i really love the naked gun movies anyway.

hey guys, been away a bit, no time to read stuff, but just in case anyone posted anything for me, let me know...

962 - i know what you mean about reloaded but i think with time it may well do- once people have seen revolutions, and the consequences of the stuff talked about in reloaded are played out, i think the trilogy will be considered one of (if not the best) film trilogy to date. Whatever happens, no-one can deny it's pushed visual effects on.

Mr Nick- i finally trawled through your posts to find the link to your IUMA, so I could listen to always... I count myself as way below most of the guitarists in here's leagues.

Anyway, I don't think your always was as bad as people seemed to make out. For starters, your tone is cool and your expression on the main theme is spot on. I think it's just the doodling around type bits that let you down, you should probably have stuck closer to the original. But still, it's good, and you'll do well.

McDave - thanks mate, I appreciate it. Probably the drums and bass need to come up.

Backstage Bandit- thanks as well :)

Ethn - regarding Matrix movies, I'm a very very obsessive fan, but I really can't say that Reloaded has toppled Matrix yet- I can only do that after Revolutions, cause if Revolutions disappoints, Reloaded was only setting up a rubbish ending. However I don't believe that is going to happen, I believe this November holds for each and every one of us, the very meaning of the matrix (hope you get that reference). Anyway, I need to watch reloaded many more times to pick up on all the minute bits of symbolism, all the triple meanings etc. to evaluate it better.

If revolutions is good then the whole trilogy will be fantastic. The Matrix stands by itself as a superb film, but reloaded and revolutions need each other.

I give Reloaded 10 simply based on the fact that the only criticism so far is that the rave and sex was unneccessary, and I am sure the are thoroughly neccessary.

Whoever posted the link to the old T2J, good on you. Looking at my posts there I see youthful vibrancy.

brymstone - thanks, i'm particularly glad you say that cause it changes key a fair bit, and it's not always easy to keep the flow when you're doing that.

Gutterboy - i agree, i love the backdoors, and the fight with neo and morpheus against the smiths at the end. But I'm completely convinced of the neccessity for the Zion stuff including the rave and sex with regards to the next film. Oh and I agree, Persephone/Monica Bellucci... mmmm ladies!

OCPS470 - You think well... most of the guys at http://www.matrixfans.net agree that there isn't a matrix within a matrix thing going on. I go for Neo being at least partially code, (like Agent Smith gets into a real body)

Austin - as I've said above, there's stuff in Zion that needs to be there- eg. Smith in Bane's body, the kid (the guy who wants to join Morpheus' crew/guy from A Kid's story in the Animatrix). We're told he's important in the second movie. But I do know what you mean about it taking away it's "mystery/power/awesomeness". Kinda like seeing Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy on TV.

death cube k - why does the matrix suck?

ethn - agreed

Sharon - thanks for that explanation :D

ome - i disagree with the second part of a trilogy thing- I mean, back to the future doesn't, indiana jones doesn't, austin powers doesn't. LOTR doesn't.

OME- i've never read the LOTR books myself, and have gone to the first two films- I don't feel they're particularly special myself I find them hard to get to grips with (i'm ok on philosophy and stuff of the matrix, it's just that LOTR has so many characters and so little time).

Hiram Abif - Thomas A Anderson (neo's name) is an anagram of "Handsome or satan" coincidence? i don't think so.

tonecapone - rolfmao at the purple pill..

death cube k - KY Jellyman? no idea what you're talking about there mate. And how is the storyline weak? And who says Neo needs to show expression? Who says he's a human.

MartyMcFly - YOU'RE A SLACKER!!

death cube k- i suspected that you might not have seen it, hehe

bite my shiney metal daffodil. i had a dream last night that i was talking to stravinsky and listening to some of his music, then i reminded him that he died in 1971- it didn't seem to worry him. Ah well, a more interesting dream than usual- this is what happens when you listen to rite of spring before goign to bed- even if you do put SBM on just after.

migupais - i love the animatrix too. I downloaded the episodes that are available online the day they came out. The Second Rennaisance is also very good. I don't really get matriculated, I'll have to watch it a few more times.

greg m - i was going to do the binary one but you got there first!

migupais - yeah i got the general idea of it, the whole evil = red eyes, good = green eyes thing that someone tol me about, helped me understand it better.

my thought(s) on music college/university-

i don't think in most cases, it can teach you much/anything more than you can learn yourself by doing/reading up on the stuff. But I think it probably brings two things

a) discipline - with regard to work, you have to do the work that they set you, you can't just do half a project then move onto something else, etc.

Philosophy Posse (to borrow a clarky phrase)

ethn - i'm really glad you like it so much- people on the forums have tended to like it more and more the more they see it. Asking tonnes of people what they thought of it, they all didn't think it was as good as the first matrix, yet none of them had a decent reason to back it up, and all of them wanted to see revolutions. So, I think time will judge reloaded more effectively than we can now. But certainly, in symbolism, and clever little references to link things to the first film (eg. neo stopping the sentinels had the same music as neo stopping the bullets in the first one), it is massively rich.

Actually I was thinking about "individualism" this morning with regards to the Matrix commenting on it. I think the main thing brought up by Reloaded is "if you've fallen for one dupe, how do you know you're not just falling for an even bigger dupe as we speak". The first dupe being the Matrix, the second dupe either being the oracke etc. guiding you to the source, or the matrix within a matrix, if you look at it that way. We're talking Plato's Cave here.

Kids go on and on nowadays about how they are rebelling against society, by all wearing, say expensive goth type clothes. They're saying that people wearing, for instance jeans are fitting in too much and that you shouldn't want to fit in. Whereas from the outsiders perspective, they're the ones falling for a bigger dupe because they're really just being sheep.